Where is the media uproar on this?

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

I've claimed endlessly that the "liberal media" tag is just spin created by the Rove machine to give Bush something to hide behind. It then took on a life of it's own due to Fox.

Well, remember when Obama ditched his press to meet with Hillary? I think Fox, MSNBC and CNN each dedicated nearly 2 hours of time to that topic.

On the 9th McCain ditched his crew to perform a press release reading to a CNN camera. I watched the three big cable networks that night and saw nothing on it.

Why is it a big deal for Obama to do it, and not McCain?


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/09/mccain_campaign_restricts_pres.html

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[rushmc 23]

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I've claimed endlessly that the "liberal media" tag is just spin created by the Rove machine to give Bush something to hide behind. It then took on a life of it's own due to Fox.

Well, remember when Obama ditched his press to meet with Hillary? I think Fox, MSNBC and CNN each dedicated nearly 2 hours of time to that topic.

On the 9th McCain ditched his crew to perform a press release reading to a CNN camera. I watched the three big cable networks that night and saw nothing on it.

Why is it a big deal for Obama to do it, and not McCain?


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/09/mccain_campaign_restricts_pres.html

You dont think the reasons and or topics had anything to do with them being looked at differently?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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You dont think the reasons and or topics had anything to do with them being looked at differently?

The topic didn't matter, it was the fact that he did it. To not hold them both to this shows the double standards on coverage

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[Para_Frog 1]

It wasn't covered because even negative press about McCain is still coverage. And he will never come close to the media darling status of Obama, who gets coverage when he wipes his ass.

Better to ignore McCain v. talk about him in any light. That way there is no room for discussion or open dedate. It's Obama or nothing at all damnit. Get that straight.

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[billvon 3,080]

Because St. McCain is NOT TO BE CRITICIZED! If he is, the person criticizing him obviously hates seniors and veterans and has no respect for the US military.

Now Obama, on the other hand - did you hear he gave his wife a terrorist fist jab?

[rushmc 23]

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It wasn't covered because even negative press about McCain is still coverage. And he will never come close to the media darling status of Obama, who gets coverage when he wipes his ass.

Better to ignore McCain v. talk about him in any light. That way there is no room for discussion or open dedate. It's Obama or nothing at all damnit. Get that straight.

You went here sooner than I was going to. Also, the fact that Hillary and Obama were going after each other and it was sooooooooooo damaging to the Dem party made it bigger news to the networks.

Anybody can argue the subject side of right or left leaning press. It is hard however, to argue with the research done by many (left leaning) colleges and media orgs that support the claim the left leans left.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Because St. McCain is NOT TO BE CRITICIZED! If he is, the person criticizing him obviously hates seniors and veterans and has no respect for the US military.

Now Obama, on the other hand - did you hear he gave his wife a terrorist fist jab?

HEY, his wife, his ears, his church, his color AND his middle name are off limits




Didnt you get the memo?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Para_Frog 1]

I'll criticize him...

That stiff right arm handshake thing drives me nuts...Oh, and he's a liberal.

Have you seen Obama's friggin ears? Like a genetic wingsuit! I bet his fall rate is like 43-44 tops!

- Harvey, BASE 1232
TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA

BLiNC Magazine Team Member

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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It wasn't covered because even negative press about McCain is still coverage. And he will never come close to the media darling status of Obama, who gets coverage when he wipes his ass.

Better to ignore McCain v. talk about him in any light. That way there is no room for discussion or open dedate. It's Obama or nothing at all damnit. Get that straight.

You went here sooner than I was going to. Also, the fact that Hillary and Obama were going after each other and it was sooooooooooo damaging to the Dem party made it bigger news to the networks.

Anybody can argue the subject side of right or left leaning press. It is hard however, to argue with the research done by many (left leaning) colleges and media orgs that support the claim the left leans left.

To be fair, both of them have been media darlings in their own time.....it may not be equal as of today but it has been there.

If McCain believed that even negative press for him was good, then he would be talking all the time. I think he is more scared of the media at this point of the election than anything else. He is waiting for Obama to fail against the darling image the media created during the Primary.

I'm of the opinion that if the media was really in favor of Obama, they would add more negative fuel to the McCain fire instead of him just being "that other guy who happens to be conservative." Hopefully that makes sense....typing while on a call right now.

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[rushmc 23]

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It wasn't covered because even negative press about McCain is still coverage. And he will never come close to the media darling status of Obama, who gets coverage when he wipes his ass.

Better to ignore McCain v. talk about him in any light. That way there is no room for discussion or open dedate. It's Obama or nothing at all damnit. Get that straight.

You went here sooner than I was going to. Also, the fact that Hillary and Obama were going after each other and it was sooooooooooo damaging to the Dem party made it bigger news to the networks.

Anybody can argue the subject side of right or left leaning press. It is hard however, to argue with the research done by many (left leaning) colleges and media orgs that support the claim the left leans left.

To be fair, both of them have been media darlings in their own time.....it may not be equal as of today but it has been there.Yes, until McCain became the oposition to Obama. Things are a changin now me thinks

If McCain believed that even negative press for him was good, then he would be talking all the time. I think he is more scared of the media at this point of the election than anything else. He is waiting for Obama to fail against the darling image the media created during the Primary. I think he is MORE afraid of losing his coveted "Maverick" title given to him by the media

I'm of the opinion that if the media was really in favor of Obama, they would add more negative fuel to the McCain fire instead of him just being "that other guy who happens to be conservative." Hopefully that makes sense....typing while on a call right now.

they may be afraid of John McCain "honorable campain" postion he has taken. (just a guess)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Para_Frog 1]

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"that other guy who happens to be conservative."

Huh? McCain?

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[nerdgirl 0]

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It is hard however, to argue with the research done by many (left leaning) colleges and media orgs that support the claim the left leans left.

Would you point me to some of those alleged studies? Each time we go through them in detail, the result does not support that assertion … but if you have a new candidate, let’s take a look

Showed here why/how the Pew report did not support MRC conclusions regarding bias among print journalists. What the Pew report showed was that the majority of reporters are in the ‘middle’ politically.

Examined here the UCLA Groseclose and Milyo paper. And observed that by the method the authors use, they find that the ACLU is a right-wing organization, the NRA is a left-leaning organization, and the AARP is a far left advocacy group, even more liberal than Amnesty International by almost 10 points (Table 1, p. 19).

Among media sources, Fox News was found to have a significant conservative bias (>20 points from the center). Drudge report is found to have a slight conservative bias (w/in 10 points of the center). ABC, NBC, LA Times, NY Times and USA Today have a slight liberal bias (w/in 10 points of the center). Not even CBS News has an “overwhelmingly” liberal bias by the work that you cited (10.8 points from the center). The only media outlet one that they found to have a significant liberal bias was the Wall Street Journal (35.1 points from the center to the left). Dow Jones & Company’s response.

Investigated another assertion from an Investor’s Business Daily “Editorial” – their designation - citing a Harvard study here. While the Editorial focused on pieces that supported their case – they’re allowed & encouraged to do that in Opinion-Editorial – overall the Harvard study found that for the largest percentage weren’t bias in any direction. The IBD editorial did not mention the study’s finding that while Hillary Clinton “received the most [coverage] (17% of the stories), though she can thank the overwhelming and largely negative attention of conservative talk radio hosts for much of the edge in total volume,” (p.2). “Clinton was the focus of nearly a third of all the campaign segments among the conservative talkers studies [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Michael Savage].”

If you have something new or different in mind, please direct us toward it?

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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[rushmc 23]

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It is hard however, to argue with the research done by many (left leaning) colleges and media orgs that support the claim the left leans left.

Would you point me to some of those alleged studies? Each time we go through them in detail, the result does not support that assertion … but if you have a new candidate, let’s take a look

Showed here why/how the Pew report did not support MRC conclusions regarding bias among print journalists. What the Pew report showed was that the majority of reporters are in the ‘middle’ politically.

Examined here the UCLA Groseclose and Milyo paper. And observed that by the method the authors use, they find that the ACLU is a right-wing organization, the NRA is a left-leaning organization, and the AARP is a far left advocacy group, even more liberal than Amnesty International by almost 10 points (Table 1, p. 19).

Among media sources, Fox News was found to have a significant conservative bias (>20 points from the center). Drudge report is found to have a slight conservative bias (w/in 10 points of the center). ABC, NBC, LA Times, NY Times and USA Today have a slight liberal bias (w/in 10 points of the center). Not even CBS News has an “overwhelmingly” liberal bias by the work that you cited (10.8 points from the center). The only media outlet one that they found to have a significant liberal bias was the Wall Street Journal (35.1 points from the center to the left). Dow Jones & Company’s response.

Investigated another assertion from an Investor’s Business Daily “Editorial” – their designation - citing a Harvard study here. While the Editorial focused on pieces that supported their case – they’re allowed & encouraged to do that in Opinion-Editorial – overall the Harvard study found that for the largest percentage weren’t bias in any direction. The IBD editorial did not mention the study’s finding that while Hillary Clinton “received the most [coverage] (17% of the stories), though she can thank the overwhelming and largely negative attention of conservative talk radio hosts for much of the edge in total volume,” (p.2). “Clinton was the focus of nearly a third of all the campaign segments among the conservative talkers studies [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Michael Savage].”

If you have something new or different in mind, please direct us toward it?

VR/Marg

I will see if I can find the last "alleged" study that was posted on this site.

It stated that the major news outlets were left or slightly left and that FOX was near the center or just slightly left of center. It was based on the programing and how different topics were reported. If I remember right it was done by a college.

I will look. Anybody here remember the thread it may have been posted on here?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

One could spend much time here

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=media+bias+studies&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Found this relevant. Someone posted this on another site I'm active on. For those that care, the guy who posted this did two tours in Iraq with the Marines.

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Did you guys see the footage of McCain at a townhall meeting this week where a Vietnam vet put him on the spot?

McCain started out with a joke that just totally didn't work - "I see a man in a funny lookin hat back there, I think it says Vietnam Veteran so ok lets recognize this fella." The vet says that he admires McCains service but wants to know why he voted against increasing VA funding in 03, 04, 05 and 06 for increased medical coverage for returning veterans from the war.

McCain responds that he's very disappointed that Senator Web didn't sign on to his amendment for the GI bill and then talked for a moment about his GI bill version.

The Vet gets the mic again and says "hey you didn't answer my question. Why did you vote against increased funding in '03, '04, '05 and '06 for the VA?"

McCain says "I have received the highest awards from all the veterans organizations and have perfect voting records with them."

Vet says "Sir no you do not - I am from [one of the larger vet organizations] and you definitely do not having a perfect voting record with us because of your votes in those years. I can provide you with the exact details of those votes right now with the details of the legislation and how the votes tallied."

McCain says to the Vet "Again, I am telling you that I have a perfect voting record from every veteran organization out there. Obviously these organizations know something that you don't" and then they took the mic away.

I have to admit, I'm pretty active on most every news site on both sides and I didn't see this at all. That's some pretty damning material there. But since it touched his Vet background, everyone skipped it.

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[nerdgirl 0]

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Examined here the UCLA Groseclose and Milyo paper. And observed that by the method the authors use, they find that the ACLU is a right-wing organization, the NRA is a left-leaning organization, and the AARP is a far left advocacy group, even more liberal than Amnesty International by almost 10 points (Table 1, p. 19).

Among media sources, Fox News was found to have a significant conservative bias (>20 points from the center). Drudge report is found to have a slight conservative bias (w/in 10 points of the center). ABC, NBC, LA Times, NY Times and USA Today have a slight liberal bias (w/in 10 points of the center). Not even CBS News has an “overwhelmingly” liberal bias by the work that you cited (10.8 points from the center). The only media outlet one that they found to have a significant liberal bias was the Wall Street Journal (35.1 points from the center to the left). Dow Jones & Company’s response.

I will see if I can find the last "alleged" study that was posted on this site.

It stated that the major news outlets were left or slightly left and that FOX was near the center or just slightly left of center. It was based on the programing and how different topics were reported. If I remember right it was done by a college.

I will look. Anybody here remember the thread it may have been posted on here?

That sounds like how the UCLA Groseclose and Milyo study was described in secondary & tertiary accounts. When one went to the study, what was found is noted above and more details in the linked analysis.

VR/Marg

p.s. most of the studies aren't "alleged"; thus far it's been the conclusions and bias that are "alleged."

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

I was trying to find more on that story above, and this is all I found



AOL News Blog (what the hell does that mean?)
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/10/mccain-lies-to-vet-about-voting-record/

A site claiming neutral media (if you have to claim that, you are doing it wrong)
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/mccain-faces-mixed

Military.com forums
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/69719858/m/7700017091001

MSNBC FORUMS.
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=719336&boardsparam=Page%3D6

And the closest thing to main stream media:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/07/AR2008070701672_5.html

Well, thinkprogress.com seems to have a link as well, but that is a pretty far left leaning site. From there I see all forums off major sites talking about it like Huff Post, democratic.com, etc.

Can anyone find a major news outlet that reported this?

EDIT: I just turned off my script blocker on Firefox to see the AOL link above shows Countdown with the guest host talking about it. So, MSNBC showed video of it then.

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[nerdgirl 0]

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http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

Yes, that's the UCLA Groseclose and Milyo paper.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[nerdgirl 0]

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One could spend much time here

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=media+bias+studies&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

It appears that all of the links on the first page, except 1, refer to a single study (the UCLA Groseclose & Milyo study).

The exception -- & one that I have not seen cited before -- is “The Fox News Effect: Media Bias and Voting.”
The lead author, Stefano DellaVigna, is an economist at UC Berkeley.

“Abstract: Does media bias affect voting? We address this question by looking at the entry of Fox News in cable markets and its impact on voting. Between October 1996 and November 2000, the conservative Fox News Channel was introduced in the cable programming of 20 percent of US towns. Fox News availability in 2000 appears to be largely idiosyncratic. Using a data set of voting data for 9,256 towns, we investigate if Republicans gained vote share in towns where Fox News entered the cable market by the year 2000. We find a significant effect of the introduction of Fox News on the vote share in Presidential elections between 1996 and 2000. Republicans gain 0.4 to 0.7 percentage points in the towns which broadcast Fox News. The results are robust to town-level controls, district and county fixed effects, and alternative specifications. We also find a significant effect of Fox News on Senate vote share and on voter turnout. Our estimates imply that Fox News convinced 3 to 8 percent of its viewers to vote Republican. We interpret the results in light of a simple model of voter learning about media bias and about politician quality. The Fox News effect could be a temporary learning effect for rational voters, or a permanent effect for voters subject to non-rational persuasion.”

Very cursory but intellectually provocative implication w/r/t causality -- rather than FoxNews attracting folks who were already conservatively-inclined, it suggests that for a small -- but not insignificant in consideration of recent election margins -- Fox News has a significant impact on their voting decision in one direction since its introduction.

With that in mind along with the Pew report, the UCLA study, the Harvard study, one might come to a couple potential hypotheses: there is media bias, it’s just not in the direction that we hear repeatedly asserted, or because material presented does not fit want one wants to hear/read, it is seen as bias.

A meta-analysis of citations of the UCLA Groseclose & Milyo study would be interesting: who cites it and what do they think it found?

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[idrankwhat 0]

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Can anyone find a major news outlet that reported this?

I found pretty much the same stuff that you did. Nothing "mainstream".

[rushmc 23]

p.s. most of the studies aren't "alleged"; thus far it's been the conclusions and bias that are "alleged."

Ok

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[likearock 2]

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I've claimed endlessly that the "liberal media" tag is just spin created by the Rove machine to give Bush something to hide behind. It then took on a life of it's own due to Fox.

Well, remember when Obama ditched his press to meet with Hillary? I think Fox, MSNBC and CNN each dedicated nearly 2 hours of time to that topic.

On the 9th McCain ditched his crew to perform a press release reading to a CNN camera. I watched the three big cable networks that night and saw nothing on it.

Why is it a big deal for Obama to do it, and not McCain?

The coverage I saw of Obama and Hillary ditching the press was far from negative. It was more a fascination that came from not being able to get information about it. Everyone understood the reasons behind why any amount of press coverage would deflect from the personal nature of that meeting after so many months of animosity between the parties.

If McCain is ditching the press for some arbitrary reason, that's another story, but it's incorrect to draw any equivalence between the two events.

[jumpin_Jan 1]

My take on it is,,,

When Obama ditched the press he did it by sending the presstitutes on a many hour journey on an aircraft.

The presstitutes were pissed that he wasted many hours of their time that they could have used otherwise.

McCain did not sequester the presstitutes with the same kind of airplane boondoggle.
Similar but not as many hours of the presstitutes time wasted.

I think the reactions are in line with the offence in each case.

McCain DID cross a line though by showing favoritism and it is unusual that the unfavored are not up in arms.

I am not surprised that each of us see's what we want to see and uses it to belabor some agenda though.

The "biased" reactions are entertaining!

Just one mans never humble OPINION.


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jumpin_Jan

EDITED to rectify inaccuracies from not reading the whole linked article.

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