Washington, D.C. Banning Guns Again

[mnealtx 0]

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Hope the fall off the high road was painless.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention if you think I make my choices along something as inane as a party line.

*looks at posting record*

Uh-huh....

Mike
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[mnealtx 0]

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Epidemiology is part of the medical profession.


Dr. David Hemenway, a professor at Harvard’s School of Public Health, dissected the work
of Kleck and Gertz in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, concluding that their survey
contained ”a huge overestimation bias” and that their estimate is “highly exaggerated.”
Hemenway applied Kleck and Gertz’s methodology to a 1994 ABC News/Washington Post
survey in which people were asked if they had ever seen an alien spacecraft or come into direct
contact with a space alien. He demonstrated that, by the application of Kleck and Gertz’s
methodology, one would conclude that almost 20 million Americans have seen a spacecraft
from another planet and more than a million have actually met space aliens.

So, kennedy, have you seen any space aliens recently?

Maybe you can provide Hemenway's peer review on that - Kleck/Gertz was vetted by Criminology. Maybe Hemenway's buddies at HCI/VPC 'peer reviewed' it.

Can you remind me *what* year it was that Hemenway received *HIS* Hindelang Award? I can't seem to find it.

Hemenway is full of shit, btw - Klecks' survey used multiple questions (up to 20, if I recall correctly) to weed out false positives.

Mike
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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Hope the fall off the high road was painless.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention if you think I make my choices along something as inane as a party line.

*looks at posting record*

Uh-huh....

Then you would notice me openly supporting Ron Paul and Kuchinch equally from the start of the Primary Season. Whatever will you do with that one? If you want, I can email you my IRC logs from 1999 when I was very vocal against a certain Texan from getting the White House. You would also be able to see me not supporting Clinton during his lame duck years.

Again, I think you are just ready with the same rhetoric for most posters to lead all threads down the same road.

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[mnealtx 0]

I just find it humorous that you constantly have to say "I'm not doing this on party lines" or "I'm not a Democrat" as you consistently bash the Reps - not that they don't deserve it, don't get me wrong...I just find the disclaimer funny.

I'll have to watch and see if you do a "I'm not a Republican" disclaimer whenever you say something about the Dems, or talk about how Obama lost your vote.

Mike
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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Well, McCain won't be getting my vote either. Yup, third election in a row where I get to throw my vote for President away. Not that it matters in such a strong blue state anyhow.

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[billvon 3,173]

> I just find it humorous that you constantly have to say "I'm not doing
>this on party lines" or "I'm not a Democrat" as you consistently bash the
>Reps - not that they don't deserve it, don't get me wrong...I just find the
>disclaimer funny.

Odd, you do precisely the same thing. (Well, precisely the opposite, to be exact.)

[mnealtx 0]

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> I just find it humorous that you constantly have to say "I'm not doing
>this on party lines" or "I'm not a Democrat" as you consistently bash the
>Reps - not that they don't deserve it, don't get me wrong...I just find the
>disclaimer funny.

Odd, you do precisely the same thing. (Well, precisely the opposite, to be exact.)

Really? Perhaps you can show all those times I've said, "I'm not a Republican, but" or "I'm not a libertarian, but".... thanks.

Mike
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[mnealtx 0]

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Well, McCain won't be getting my vote either. Yup, third election in a row where I get to throw my vote for President away. Not that it matters in such a strong blue state anyhow.

What was the quote from a few months back, talking about the election? Big Douche and Turd Sandwich, something like that? That's about my view on it, too....

Mike
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[billvon 3,173]

Ah, my mistake. So you are a republican that does things on party lines. I will keep that in mind.

[craddock 0]

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How does the ownership of semi automatic pistols reduce this figure? banning the ownership of semi automatic pistols would reduce this fugure because there would be less concealable guns available.

I believe the lack of responses to you post are an indication who ridiculious the statement was.

For one there are DAO compact revolvers that will easily fit into a pocket and carry will with an IWB holster. As a person who does not own anything but Semi-Auto handguns, a couple of which date back near a century ago, I would have to purchase yet another firearm to comply with this proposed law if I were to move to DC. Thus putting even more "guns on the street"

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[mnealtx 0]

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Ah, my mistake. So you are a republican that does things on party lines. I will keep that in mind.

Actually, I'm registered Independent, and I didn't vote for GWB either time.
I find no bias in pointing out the complete hypocrisy in saying "it's all the Republicans' fault" - it took BOTH sides of the aisle to get us here - something that some posters here STILL can't admit to.

Mike
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[StreetScooby 5]

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having a gun for defence is more likeley to get you killed than not having one.

Not if you know how to use it

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[StreetScooby 5]

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It is not that hard to shoot someone when you are stood in front of them.

I'm inclined to think you've never fired a hand gun...

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I'm sorry dude but that's funny right there!

Yep, sadly so.

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That is why Chicago has seen such an upsurge in gun related deaths. Chicago hasn't changed their gun policy, but the gang threat has grown tremendously.

IIRC, Daley said there were thousands of hand gun incidents in Chicago, that's why they need the ban .

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[StreetScooby 5]

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Nice grouping!

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[Kennedy 0]

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Epidemiology is part of the medical profession.

definitions of Epidemiology:

- the study of factors affecting the health and illness of populations, and serves as the foundation and logic of interventions made in the interest of public health and preventive medicine. It is considered a cornerstone methodology of public health research, and is highly regarded in evidence-based medicine for identifying risk factors for disease and determining optimal treatment approaches to clinical practice.

- the branch of medicine dealing with the incidence and prevalence of disease in large populations and with detection of the source and cause of epidemics of infectious disease

- The branch of medicine that deals with the study of the causes, distribution, and control of disease in populations.



Tell you what professor: the day you want a SWAT team or major crime detective passing out a hospital's emergency room policies or passing out procedures to the CDC, I'll take crime policy from doctors.

Until then they can focus on things related to the medical field. Unless you want a police officer holding your next scapel and syringe...

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Dr. David Hemenway, a professor at Harvard’s School of Public Health, dissected the work
of Kleck and Gertz

Maybe he should stick to disseecting bodies instead of criminological studies.

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So, kennedy, have you seen any space aliens recently?

I might believe an alien sightings study if there were more than a dozen other studies that backed up the findings, and it was the most reliable of the bunch.

You also posted that the DOJ had refuted Kleck and Gertz. I'm still waiting to see any evidence of that. Have you checked the list of names I gave you? Each one leads to a study that gives similar results to Kleck-Gertz '95, including ones financed by the DOJ. I'm waiting for just one study done in a scientific manner that comes to significantly different conclusions.

Face it. The research has been repeated and the results have been reproduced, even by people hoping for different outcomes.

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[JohnRich 4]

Re: D.C. banning semi-auto pistols.

Heller, whom this case is all about, sued to legally own his semi-auto pistol. The Supreme Court specifically ruled that the city must allow him to register and possess his pistol. Not just "a" handgun, but "his pistol". Therefore, if the D.C. officials try to ban semi-auto pistols, that would include Heller's, and they would be in direct violation of the Supreme Court order. I would love to see them try that - it would be great to see the mayor arrested for contempt of court for disobeying their order.

Where the politics is going from here.

Two other cases have now been filed: Chicago, and San Francisco. The Chicago case will be won and the gun ban there overturned. The San Fran case, however, is in the extreme liberal 9th Circuit, and they are likely to uphold the ban. This will not necessarily be a victory for the anti-gun folks, although they'll certainly claim so. The pro-gun folks actually expect to lose that one, and that's part of the strategy. So, there will be a pro-gun ruling in Chicago, and an anti-gun ruling in San Francisco.

That puts two federal courts in contradiction of each other, requiring that the Supreme Court step in to settle the difference of opinion. And they've already done that, of course, in the Heller decision. So it's a no-brainer that the Supreme Court will then overturn the 9th Circuit's upholding of the gun ban, and that case will then be won by the pro-gun side.

And in the end, these two rulings will spread the Supreme Court ruling down to the States, so that they will have to respect it, and not ignore it by claiming that the Heller ruling only applied to federal territory.

All of this will take years to play out, but it's an intentional long-term pro-gun strategy, and that's my prediction on where things are going.

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Yeah, I heard some bitch from the DC City Hall making some lame ass excuse about no semi-automatic pistols either.

I'm not a gun owner (my right to choose), but I am familiar enough with semi's to know that you have to chamber the first round and that they have a grip safety, two features revolvers don't have. I have always believed that a semi is SAFER than a revolver. And either kind of pistol is going to shoot you just as dead with one or two shots.

Proof once again that governments will do anything they can get away with to ignore a court ruling - even when it comes from the highest court in the land.

Assholes.....

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[mnealtx 0]

Most every semiauto has SOME sort of safety, from a decock lever (making the first shot a long double action pull)(Glock) all the way up to the grip safety / hammer block safety of the 1911.

Some recent-day revolvers and semi-autos also have integrated hammer locks - something the politicians try to demand for Joe Public but somehow always exclude their bodyguards and the police from.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[JohnRich 4]

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Re: D.C. banning semi-auto pistols.

Heller, whom this case is all about, sued to legally own his semi-auto pistol. The Supreme Court specifically ruled that the city must allow him to register and possess his pistol. Not just "a" handgun, but "his pistol". Therefore, if the D.C. officials try to ban semi-auto pistols, that would include Heller's, and they would be in direct violation of the Supreme Court order.

Update:

DC Rejects Handgun Application

District residents can start registering their guns today. But at least one very high profile application was already rejected.

Dick Heller is the man who brought the lawsuit against the District's 32-year-old ban on handguns. He was among the first in line Thursday morning to apply for a handgun permit.

But when he tried to register his semi-automatic weapon, he says he was rejected. He says his gun has seven bullet clip. Heller says the City Council legislation allows weapons with fewer than eleven bullets in the clip. A spokesman for the DC Police says the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to their interpretation, all bottom-loading guns are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.

Source: WUSA9

This puts the city of Washington, D.C. in direct violation of the Supreme Court order to allow Heller to register and keep his handgun in the city.

All bottom-loading guns are machine-guns? Where do they get this crap?

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I guess they decided they couldn't get away with refusing all semiautomatics, so they came up with an even cuter way to try. I can't think of any semis that aren't "bottom loading." Can you?

It's probably ok, John - the quicker they do all this bullshit, the quicker it will be resolved.

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This puts the city of Washington, D.C. in direct violation of the Supreme Court order to allow Heller to register and keep his handgun in the city.

This is going to get good! Too bad Mr. Heller is still screwed though (for now). Bunch of idiots in DC.....

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[downwardspiral 0]

sweet! I now have a .45 acp machine gun locked in my gun cabinet! I guess now I can officially call it a machine gun cabinet.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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I guess they decided they couldn't get away with refusing all semiautomatics, so they came up with an even cuter way to try. I can't think of any semis that aren't "bottom loading." Can you?

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Mannlicher M1900-M1905
Mauser C96
Steyer-Hahn M1911/1912
Webley-Fosbery automatic revolver

Under Federal law, an old enough Mauser C96 isn't even considered a firearm. If the design and metalurgy allow you could even rebarrel it in a more modern caliber without changing its status as an antique (A friend has a model 1892 Mauser which left the factory some time between 1894 and '97 but was redone in the modern 8mm caliber for WWII). Your favorite courier company can deliver one to your doorstep.