shropshire 0 #1 July 4, 2008 Quote A man who was born a woman but underwent surgery and hormone treatment to change gender has made medical history by having a baby. Clicky (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #2 July 4, 2008 I wish the couple VERY well. It sounds like they REALLY wanted to hold and raise this young life. - I just find it amazing what major surgery can do - "He" used to be in the Miss Hawaii Teen USA pageant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #3 July 4, 2008 *rolls eyes*CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #4 July 4, 2008 Best wishes to Mr. Beatie, his wife Nancy, and their new baby girl, Tracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 July 4, 2008 the article says that this person kept the female genitalia, but just had testosterone treatments & surgery to flatten her chest. can you really call such a person a man? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #6 July 4, 2008 Quotethe article says that this person kept the female genitalia, but just had testosterone treatments & surgery to flatten her chest. can you really call such a person a man? No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #7 July 4, 2008 Quote the article says that this person kept the female genitalia, but just had testosterone treatments & surgery to flatten her chest. can you really call such a person a man? If it walks like a duck , quacks like a duck but lays a goose egg, then its a goose ... Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leapinglizardto 0 #8 July 4, 2008 congrats Mr Shropshire, we didn't even know you were preggers seriously cool. i wish them the best It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #9 July 4, 2008 I have a friend who's a body builder. She's pretty hot. Was Ms. Arkansas a few years ago. Took testosterone, and so now she has to shave her facial hair every day, she grew an Adam's apple and her (ahem) [whisper]clit[/whisper] grew pretty big for that part of a woman's anatomy. These changes will never be undone even though she no longer takes testosterone. My friend said to me one day, "I am a man." It wasn't a happy moment for her. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #10 July 5, 2008 Quotethe article says that this person kept the female genitalia, but just had testosterone treatments & surgery to flatten her chest. can you really call such a person a man? Biologically, she's still XX - female Functionally, she still has uterus/ovaries - female Structurally (externally at least), he has male pattern hair growth, minimal breast tissue and not looking in the knickers, could pass for a "he" - male? Mentally, he thinks of himself as a he, he has a wife... better male than some. Legally, He had a judge determine that he is a HE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #11 July 5, 2008 Quote He had a judge determine Did he look in her knickers?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #12 July 5, 2008 Unless he delivered the baby through his dick, "it" is still a girl..... www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #13 July 5, 2008 Quote Unless he delivered the baby through his dick, "it" is still a girl..... Nah...just confused (Kevin Keenan voice). _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #14 July 5, 2008 In any case, frankly I'm a bit taken back by so many people supporting said individual byway of: Quote I'm so happy for them and wish them all the support in the world. Blah, blah blah - yada, yada yada... Were talking about a women, with [apparently] a hefty case of penis envy getting a sex-change and giving birth to a child...... I for 1 find it sickening that something like this is even acceptable in society; we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. I really feel sorry for that child, for an obvious multitude of reasons I should not have to list. Common sense with a dash of logic says that said environment is simply not healthy - period! Everyone deserves a chance at a normal childhood; for generations growing up in a home with 1 form of physical and/or mental abuse is common place; as if that isn't enough - now we gotta add nutjobs with psychiatric problems wanting children to the list? Genius!... Such a scenario will only, very likely only continue the confusion in terms of sexual orientation, amongst other things.Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #15 July 5, 2008 i'm sure someone's gonna call goodwins law on that, but there was already a society in history that decided what religion, race and morals were worth living and which were not. it resulted in the biggest genocide of them all. i dont say i agree with this. but its not up to me to decided what's right or wrong for that person. as long as they are good parents, i dont see a problem with that. the only problem i see in the future is the bullying in school, please refer to paragraph one of my post. i know gay couples that have been together longer, and live a happier life than a lot of "normal" heterosexual couples..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leapinglizardto 0 #16 July 5, 2008 that + we're in America. in fact we just yesterday, celebrated our 232nd year as 'the land of the Free & home of the brave.' where everyone has the right to freedom of choices in how they wish to live their lives. it's what this whole great nation was founded on. people who think everyone should believe & live exactly as they do, aren't a whloe lot better than people who feel the same way & fly airplanes full of 100's of unsuspecting civilians, into buildings full of 1,000's of unsuspecting civilians. because we don't believe in or conform to their beliefs. wake up & smell the democracy & freedom that 100's of thounds of our fellow americans fought & died for all these years. just so the rest of continued to live free, this isn't a communist country that dictates, what the people can & can't have including children & how many children. like china, where the government dictates that each couple may only have 1 child. not to mention the living in glass house & throwing stones. want something moral & biblical quoted here? let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I like celery stalks w/peanut butter & find them a healthy snack alternative. so do I have a right to stop, you or anyone I see snacking on oreos or m&m's & insist they need to toss those out & replace them with celery & peanut butter? because that's what I feel & believe is 'healthier' & 'right' what about the freedom & right to pursue happiness? love it or leave it baby. or did Saddam Hussein rise from the dead & take over this country overnight?QuoteIt's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites iluvtofly 0 #17 July 5, 2008 I'm happy for the couple. They seem much happier than most of the "standard" couples today. They're happy and that's what matters. I hope to one day find a relationship that makes me that happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #18 July 5, 2008 Quote In any case, frankly I'm a bit taken back by so many people supporting said individual byway of: Quote I'm so happy for them and wish them all the support in the world. Blah, blah blah - yada, yada yada... Were talking about a women, with [apparently] a hefty case of penis envy getting a sex-change and giving birth to a child...... I for 1 find it sickening that something like this is even acceptable in society; we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. I really feel sorry for that child, for an obvious multitude of reasons I should not have to list. Common sense with a dash of logic says that said environment is simply not healthy - period! Everyone deserves a chance at a normal childhood; for generations growing up in a home with 1 form of physical and/or mental abuse is common place; as if that isn't enough - now we gotta add nutjobs with psychiatric problems wanting children to the list? Genius!... Such a scenario will only, very likely only continue the confusion in terms of sexual orientation, amongst other things. What a load of narrow minded xenophobic bullshitYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #19 July 5, 2008 i can see the next thread go.. 3 - 2 - 1 ---------->SC!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #20 July 5, 2008 we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. Even if it's strange situation and grosses a few people out, what in heaven's name do you find IMMORAL here?-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #21 July 5, 2008 Quotethe article says that this person kept the female genitalia, but just had testosterone treatments & surgery to flatten her chest. can you really call such a person a man? Bearded lady.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 July 5, 2008 Quote Quote He had a judge determine Did he look in her knickers? ROFLMFAOWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #23 July 5, 2008 Quote i can see the next thread go.. 3 - 2 - 1 ---------->SC!!! why didnt i bet some money on this!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RALFFERS 0 #24 July 5, 2008 Quote we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. Even if it's strange situation and grosses a few people out, what in heaven's name do you find IMMORAL here? You mean beyond the obvious? It's very obvious that this person has some deep, DEEP issue going on, as such, the type of values and beliefs that this child is raised with and has instilled in them is cause for concern. I'm not homophobic; if people want to have a partner of the same sex that's fine - however, don't screwup someone else's psyche due to your choices. Ask yourself, would you want these types of parents; or would you even let said couple babysit your son/daughter? This couple may indeed be happy, but at what cost? The kid is going to be confused throughout life to say the least. I wonder how the "birds & bees" talk would go in this family... Just because something is not as clearly defined as murder or rape doesn't make something not wrong; people are still effected very deeply by being brought-up in a home like this. The true result of which remains to be seen, as gay marriage has only been legal for a short amount of time. Whether you believe in God & creation, or natural selection byway of evolution - neither of these fit the above scenario into their model; a true indicator that it is just not healthy nor beneficial. I may be viewed as narrow-mined etc, etc.. quite frankly, I could care less; I am standing by and holding strong to my convictions and beliefs - something most people don't do these days and instead just sway with the wind.Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #25 July 5, 2008 Ask yourself, would you want these types of parents; or would you even let said couple babysit your son/daughter? Since I don't know these folks, I can't answer that question. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility based on their having a child of their own. The kid is going to be confused throughout life to say the least. I don't find it all that confusing. Are you saying their child is going to be stupid? It's not that difficult to understand. I think these folks are no more likely or unlikely to be good parents than anyone else. What may tip the scale in their favor is that they obviously WANT this child. That's a good thing, imho, regardless of how the "birds and bees" talk goes. I'm certain that that talk at my house was different than it was at yours....people do things all different kinds of ways, and somehow people survive, and even thrive in it :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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iluvtofly 0 #17 July 5, 2008 I'm happy for the couple. They seem much happier than most of the "standard" couples today. They're happy and that's what matters. I hope to one day find a relationship that makes me that happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 July 5, 2008 Quote In any case, frankly I'm a bit taken back by so many people supporting said individual byway of: Quote I'm so happy for them and wish them all the support in the world. Blah, blah blah - yada, yada yada... Were talking about a women, with [apparently] a hefty case of penis envy getting a sex-change and giving birth to a child...... I for 1 find it sickening that something like this is even acceptable in society; we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. I really feel sorry for that child, for an obvious multitude of reasons I should not have to list. Common sense with a dash of logic says that said environment is simply not healthy - period! Everyone deserves a chance at a normal childhood; for generations growing up in a home with 1 form of physical and/or mental abuse is common place; as if that isn't enough - now we gotta add nutjobs with psychiatric problems wanting children to the list? Genius!... Such a scenario will only, very likely only continue the confusion in terms of sexual orientation, amongst other things. What a load of narrow minded xenophobic bullshitYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #19 July 5, 2008 i can see the next thread go.. 3 - 2 - 1 ---------->SC!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #20 July 5, 2008 we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. Even if it's strange situation and grosses a few people out, what in heaven's name do you find IMMORAL here?-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 July 5, 2008 Quotethe article says that this person kept the female genitalia, but just had testosterone treatments & surgery to flatten her chest. can you really call such a person a man? Bearded lady.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 July 5, 2008 Quote Quote He had a judge determine Did he look in her knickers? ROFLMFAOWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #23 July 5, 2008 Quote i can see the next thread go.. 3 - 2 - 1 ---------->SC!!! why didnt i bet some money on this!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #24 July 5, 2008 Quote we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. Even if it's strange situation and grosses a few people out, what in heaven's name do you find IMMORAL here? You mean beyond the obvious? It's very obvious that this person has some deep, DEEP issue going on, as such, the type of values and beliefs that this child is raised with and has instilled in them is cause for concern. I'm not homophobic; if people want to have a partner of the same sex that's fine - however, don't screwup someone else's psyche due to your choices. Ask yourself, would you want these types of parents; or would you even let said couple babysit your son/daughter? This couple may indeed be happy, but at what cost? The kid is going to be confused throughout life to say the least. I wonder how the "birds & bees" talk would go in this family... Just because something is not as clearly defined as murder or rape doesn't make something not wrong; people are still effected very deeply by being brought-up in a home like this. The true result of which remains to be seen, as gay marriage has only been legal for a short amount of time. Whether you believe in God & creation, or natural selection byway of evolution - neither of these fit the above scenario into their model; a true indicator that it is just not healthy nor beneficial. I may be viewed as narrow-mined etc, etc.. quite frankly, I could care less; I am standing by and holding strong to my convictions and beliefs - something most people don't do these days and instead just sway with the wind.Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #25 July 5, 2008 Ask yourself, would you want these types of parents; or would you even let said couple babysit your son/daughter? Since I don't know these folks, I can't answer that question. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility based on their having a child of their own. The kid is going to be confused throughout life to say the least. I don't find it all that confusing. Are you saying their child is going to be stupid? It's not that difficult to understand. I think these folks are no more likely or unlikely to be good parents than anyone else. What may tip the scale in their favor is that they obviously WANT this child. That's a good thing, imho, regardless of how the "birds and bees" talk goes. I'm certain that that talk at my house was different than it was at yours....people do things all different kinds of ways, and somehow people survive, and even thrive in it :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
