434 2 #1 July 3, 2008 Our news in europe is flowing over by "Bush and Cheeney" preparing invading Iran! What is happening? Do we soon se this in reality? Before the vote? Will they leave the power if they start a new war? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #2 July 3, 2008 Quote Our news in europe is flowing over by "Bush and Cheeney" preparing invading Iran! What is happening? Do we soon se this in reality? Before the vote? Will they leave the power? The US is not going to invade Iran. We had a bit of news earlier this week about the prospects of Israel conducting a bombing raid. The media consensus in the US is that this is certainly possible, but perhaps not as likely as one might think, as it would be a "one-shot" only attempt. The rhetoric from the White House is that no options are being taken off the table. Don't worry, Europe, just throw more sanctions at Iran, you've got them right where you want them...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #3 July 3, 2008 Same same but different "Dont worry us, just throw some more bombs at them" And you see how it goes! The world is so much safer today! Than 8 years ago! Prisoner in own freedom! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #4 July 3, 2008 Quote[ The rhetoric from the White House is that no options are being taken off the table. Which in itself is a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #5 July 3, 2008 http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact read that and http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7486338.stm draw your own conclusions_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #6 July 3, 2008 QuoteOur news in europe is flowing over by "Bush and Cheeney" preparing invading Iran! What is happening? Do we soon se this in reality? Before the vote? Will they leave the power if they start a new war? Am I concerned? Yes. (Have I read Sy Hersh’s piece? No.) Is a nuclear weapon enabled Iran something I want to see? To paraphrase the VP, not just no, but hell no. Reading the tea leaves of Beltway chatter is always a precarious sport. From yesterday’s Defenselink.mil “Bush to Press G8 to Keep Up Pressure on Extremists, Iran”: “Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, Bush said he’ll also encourage participants at the Group of Eight’s annual summit in Hokkaido, Japan, to keep up pressure on Iran so it abandons its nuclear weapons development plans. “‘While ‘all options are on the table,’ Bush said, the best way to deal with the issue is through diplomacy. Together, the world community needs to send Iran the message that it will be isolated and suffer economic hardship if it continued trying to enrich uranium, he said.” That’s the official DoD media version. From the White House Press Conference, “President Bush Discusses 2008 G8 Summit” THE PRESIDENT: I have always said that all options are on the table, but the first option for the United States is to solve this problem diplomatically. I've also make it clear -- made it clear that you can't solve a problem diplomatically unless there are other people at the table with you. And that is why we have been pursuing multilateral diplomacy when it comes to convincing the Iranians that the free world is sincere about, you know, insisting that they not have the technologies necessary to develop a nuclear weapon. And we're making progress along those lines. There's been the numerous Security Council resolutions, and in my recent trip to Europe I was very encouraged to see these leaders stand up and speak out about the need to keep our coalition active and keep the pressure on. Q Let me follow up on that. Would you strongly discourage Israel from going after Iran militarily? And do you believe when you leave office Iran will be pursuing a nuclear weapon? THE PRESIDENT: I have made it very clear to all parties that the first option ought to be to solve this problem diplomatically. And the best way to solve it diplomatically is for the United States to work with other nations to send a focused message, and that is, that you will be isolated and you will have economic hardship if you continue trying to enrich. And so we will continue working diplomatically.” Yes, the President is very publicly encouraging Europe to continue sanctions. While I may not have chosen the same metaphor, I also concur with the underlying sentiment expressed by former US national security adviser Anthony Lake in an interview in Monday’s Financial Times and cited in today’s Middle East Times: “The most dangerous crisis we are going to face potentially in the next three to 10 years is if the Iranians get on the edge of developing a nuclear weapon. “Unless you assume that (Iranian negotiators) have IQs less than those of eggplants, they are not likely to make major concessions for the privilege of speaking with us. “So the question is: what is your strategy for the talks? Do you believe that simply sanctioning them can drive them into concessions before you talk, or do you believe that you need to have the sanctions there as a stick at the heart of negotiations?” The price of oil reached $145.85 (US) per barrel yesterday; on the Brent crude exchange (London), it reached $146.69 on the ICE Futures. What’s driving this latest spike? “Ongoing rhetoric about possible attacks on Iran, the world’s fourth-largest oil producer and OPEC’s second-largest exporter, also left the market jittery. “Traders are worried Tehran could try to halt shipments and seize control of the strategically important Strait of Hormuz if attacked by Israel or the United States. About 40 percent of the world’s tanker traffic passes through the Middle Eastern choke-point.” Using some of the toughest/strongest language Iran has used so far, on Monday, Iranian Guard (IRGC) commander-in-chief Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari told Jam-e Jam newspaper (Tehran): “‘If enemies from outside the region use the soil of regional countries against the Islamic Republic of Iran ... the governments of those countries will be responsible and it is our obvious right to act in the same way against their military capabilities and abilities of enemies everywhere.’ ”The Iranian top commander also stressed that his country would impose controls on shipping in the vital Persian Gulf oil transit route if it came under attack. “Naturally every country under attack by an enemy uses all its capacity and opportunities to confront the enemy. Regarding the main route for exiting energy, Iran will definitely act to impose control on the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz,’ General Jafari said. “‘If there is a confrontation between us and the enemy from outside the region, definitely the scope (of the confrontation) will reach the oil issue,’ Jafari cautioned. “‘After this action (of Iran imposing controls on the Persian Gulf waterway), the oil price will rise very considerably and this is among the factors deterring the enemies,’ he said.” [The comment of one oil trader]“‘The news about Iran indeed has impacted the sentiment in the market although most investors are confident enough an attack is not imminent,’ Abdulla al-Aqil, a trader at Samba Financial said.” VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #7 July 3, 2008 The House Committee of Foreign Affairs just distributed notice of a full committee hearing on “U.S. Policy Toward Iran” for next Wednesday. Current scheduled “witness” (i.e., person to be testifying) is the Honorable William J. Burns, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs (3rd down from SecState). The HCFA is very good about posting transcripts and webcasts. The Senate Committee on Foreign Relations announced earlier that it will be holding a full committee hearing on “Meeting the Iranian Challenge” on Tuesday. Same witness scheduled. The SCFR is also very good about posting webcasts of hearings. (The Senate Armed Services Committee is less web-friendly - usually have to catch it on C-SPAN.) Those who are interested and want to hear for themselves (rather than read someone else’s distilled version through a media lens – of whatever hue – or rather than hear condensed media versions) may consider listening. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #8 July 3, 2008 Quote Don't worry, Europe, Maybe it's time for them to start paying for their own defense needs?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 July 3, 2008 Bush can only attack Iran before his term ends if the Iranians give him a dramatic reason to, like a first strike on Israel. He'd love that scenario - it would give the GOP a boost. But in the current state of affairs, it will be seen as a transparent ploy, and an unwelcome one by a nation that is tired of the never ending war in Iraq. This isn't like his dad sending troops to Somalia during his last month. Any attack is likely to be a strike, not an invasion. Bush does want to keep the rhetoric high, since the party has decided to make new domestic drilling their key talking point, since Iraq and the economy aren't helpful to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #10 July 3, 2008 I don't think ANYBODY would welcome a military conflict with Iran. Not good for the country at all. Or the region. Or the world. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #11 July 3, 2008 Quote Quote Don't worry, Europe, Maybe it's time for them to start paying for their own defense needs? Right cuz we're getting all your shit for free and a sooooo much safer because of your chiimp and governments fucked up foriegn policies (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #12 July 3, 2008 >Maybe it's time for them to start paying for their own defense needs? Maybe it's time for us to keep our noses where they belong! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 July 3, 2008 Quote cuz we're getting all your shit for free Well let Gordon Brown get out there and start defending the democracies of the world with all 3 of his ships. Quote fucked up foriegn policies How many mosques have opened up near you lately? I wouldn't be worried about foreign policies if I were you.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #14 July 3, 2008 Quote Maybe it's time for us to keep our noses where they belong! I am ALL FOR letting western democracies pay for their own defense needs. Knowing your posts, I'm sure you meant more than that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #15 July 3, 2008 >I am ALL FOR letting western democracies pay for their own defense needs. Agreed. >Knowing your posts, I'm sure you meant more than that. Yes. It meant not paying for our troops to be there, and not interfering with the actions of other countries provided those actions do not injure us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #16 July 3, 2008 Quote provided those actions do not injure us. I think a significant part of Bush's "philosophy" was to keep that from happening, again. Are you advocating an approach where we wait to let that happen, again? NEVER FORGET that 3,000 American moms and dads died with the approach you seem to be advocating. And there's a HUGE culture out there that wants to kills us simply because we're Americans. And they're not going away. Do you realize that? I don't care to hear any bleeding liberal left winger comments about how the USA are the bad guys. We're not. End of fucking story with that shit.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #17 July 3, 2008 >Are you advocating an approach where we wait to let that happen, again? Nope. That's why we have a Department of Defense - to stop such attempts. >NEVER FORGET that 3,000 American moms and dads died with the >approach you seem to be advocating. And 4000 US moms and dads, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, have died with yours. If your only scorecard is bodies - you lose, bigtime. >I don't care to hear any bleeding liberal left winger comments about >how the USA are the bad guys. We're not. End of fucking story with >that shit. Not claiming we are. And if you are going to start going on about how the war in Iraq is making us safer, then give it up. It's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #18 July 3, 2008 QuoteNEVER FORGET that 3,000 American moms and dads died with the approach you seem to be advocating. It's unfortunate that the Bush administration ignored former President Clinton's warning regarding the dangers posed by al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. QuoteAnd there's a HUGE culture out there that wants to kills us simply because we're Americans. Or, more accurately and realistically, they're not happy with our foreign policy. QuoteAnd they're not going away. All the more reason to adopt a more responsible foreign policy. QuoteI don't care to hear any bleeding liberal left winger comments about how the USA are the bad guys. We're not. End of fucking story with that shit. The US does some good things in the world. The US does some bad things in the world. Sometimes we're the good guys; sometimes we're the bad guys.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #19 July 3, 2008 Quote And if you are going to start going on about how the war in Iraq is making us safer, then give it up. It's not. You've never heard me condone that, nor will you ever. The Saudis seemed much more appropriate to me.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #20 July 3, 2008 Quote The US does some good things in the world. Yes, they do. Especially if you start measuring that 60 years ago. Quote sometimes we're the bad guys. billvon would give me my one warning if I replied to that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #21 July 3, 2008 QuoteQuote provided those actions do not injure us. I think a significant part of Bush's "philosophy" was to keep that from happening, again. Are you advocating an approach where we wait to let that happen, again? NEVER FORGET that 3,000 American moms and dads died with the approach you seem to be advocating. And there's a HUGE culture out there that wants to kills us simply because we're Americans. And they're not going away. Do you realize that? I don't care to hear any bleeding liberal left winger comments about how the USA are the bad guys. We're not. End of fucking story with that shit. I am literally in awe over this post. Are you as scared for your safety as this post makes you seem? It’s ok if it’s your opinion; I am just amazed to see it come from a real person, and not a satirical piece. Further, why are you not ok with the US being labelled the 'bad guy' sometimes? Average performance is not necessarily a good indicator of current performance. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #22 July 4, 2008 Quote I am literally in awe over this post. Are you as scared for your safety as this post makes you seem? I have worked in NYC for well over a decade. Did you even you watch TV on 9/11/2001? Did you even read about the relentless attacks that were taken against Americans in the decade before they finally got a home run against us? Quote It’s ok if it’s your opinion; You actually think this is opinion? I am as stunned with your response as you seem to be with mine. Quote Further, why are you not ok with the US being labelled the 'bad guy' sometimes? You are a kid who is clueless. Quote I don't care to hear any bleeding liberal left winger comments about how the USA are the bad guys. We're not. End of fucking story with that shit. See above. Pay your taxes, and hope the aircraft carriers keep working for a long time to come.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 July 4, 2008 I think that you need to have a chat with the families of the squadies that have been killed and see just how much support their lads and lasses have contributed to Dubious Dubyas' cause. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #24 July 4, 2008 QuoteHo many mosques have opened up near you lately? I wouldn't be worried about foreign policies if I were you. None - what's your point? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #25 July 4, 2008 QuoteI have worked in NYC for well over a decade. Did you even you watch TV on 9/11/2001? Did you even read about the relentless attacks that were taken against Americans in the decade before they finally got a home run against us? Of course I saw it, live. I was concerned for the wellbeing of all there. What makes it a "home run"? Care to elaborate on your relative scale, or are you just repeating what you were told (like a terrified, cowering little child)? QuoteYou actually think this is opinion? I am as stunned with your response as you seem to be with mine. I know it is your opinion. Those were your feelings that you typed. Feelings do not equal fact, regardless of how foolish you might be. QuoteYou are a kid who is clueless. I'll repeat the question: "why are you not ok with the US being labelled the 'bad guy' sometimes" QuoteSee above. Pay your taxes, and hope the aircraft carriers keep working for a long time to come. "Just because" is always a stupid answer, typically given by a stupid person. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
