kallend 2,184 #1 July 1, 2008 seems to be rather inconsistent www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-energy1-2008jul01,0,2757167.story... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 July 1, 2008 QuoteCrisscrossing the country over the last two weeks to promote his energy plans, Sen. John McCain promised a forceful national strategy to combat global warming and end U.S. dependence on foreign oil. "We must steer far clear of the errors and false assumptions that have marked the energy policies of nearly 20 Congresses and seven presidents," the presumptive Republican nominee told a crowd of oil executives in Houston. Oh oh.. there goes Marc's vote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #3 July 1, 2008 Inconsistency in policy is a direct reflection of allowing corporations to rule the roost. Corporate America chases dollars, whichever way the dollars happen to be flying at the moment. At every turn, at each change in wind direction, those same corporations are buying our politicians and telling them exactly how to represent the corporations. The politicians are nothing more than spin-doctors that tell the people that they are acting in our best interest. A true representative politician would have a consistent policy; a policy that the electoral population understood and voted for (once every four years!), and would adhere to that policy in the name of the populations that they represent.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #4 July 1, 2008 Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #5 July 1, 2008 Quote"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Emerson.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #6 July 1, 2008 You've gotta do what you've gotta do ... to get the votes. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 July 1, 2008 QuoteYou've gotta do what you've gotta do ... to get the votes. "Bread and Circuses"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #8 July 2, 2008 Dude...it's the LA Times. Of course they'll site Sen. McCain's faults and inconsistencies. They'll do the same for Sen. Obama, but then they'll vindicate it as the path of a growing intellectual... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #9 July 2, 2008 Quote Dude...it's the LA Times. Didn't PDiddy kill somebody in LA? And, he's going to vote for Obama, right?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #10 July 2, 2008 Quote seems to be rather inconsistent www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-energy1-2008jul01,0,2757167.story yeah. And check out his new ride>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 20 K per fillupI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #11 July 2, 2008 Quote Quote seems to be rather inconsistent www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-energy1-2008jul01,0,2757167.story yeah. And check out his new ride>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 20 K per fillup I wonder if he'll get the same treatment Hillary got: www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3188621#3188621... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 July 2, 2008 Quote Quote seems to be rather inconsistent www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-energy1-2008jul01,0,2757167.story yeah. And check out his new ride>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 20 K per fillup At least it's carrying an entire staff, and not just one person...or flying himself around to lecture on GW...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #13 July 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote seems to be rather inconsistent www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-energy1-2008jul01,0,2757167.story yeah. And check out his new ride>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 20 K per fillup At least it's carrying an entire staff, and not just one person...or flying himself around to lecture on GW... Just pointing out a fact. Just like Gore, Edwards et al, I sure wouldn't wanna pay their elec. bills. ALL politicians are a bunch of liars and thieves just pandering for the sheeps vote. I'm loyal to myself.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 July 2, 2008 QuoteALL politicians are a bunch of liars and thieves just pandering for the sheeps vote. Very true!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #15 July 3, 2008 Quote Quote seems to be rather inconsistent www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-energy1-2008jul01,0,2757167.story yeah. And check out his new ride>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 20 K per fillup $20K per fill-up? You kidding? It's got a 5,300 gallon capacity, roughly 37,000 lbs. Jet A at a conservative $6.50/gal $35K... Don't get all glum about it...it's not a solo team on a Gulfstream V, flying around at higher altitudes telling everyone to give up on their lifestyle...then returning to a mansion that consumes more resources now, than a year ago, despite "greening"...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #16 July 3, 2008 >flying around at higher altitudes telling everyone to give up on their >lifestyle... Actually he is doing just that. He wants a 60% cut in CO2 emissions by 2050 - which, if you go by the Gorebaiters here, means freezing in the dark. >then returning to a mansion that consumes more resources now, than a >year ago, despite "greening" . . . Whereas McCain flies between his NINE mansions valued at well over 13 million. But I have a feeling you will use the same rhetorical talent you used to condemn Gore for his emission of CO2 to excuse McCain's - despite his threatening to impose exactly the sort of CO2 reductions you condemn Gore for. It will be interesting to see which of the people who condemned Gore will turn out to really be opposed to the sort of climate change legislation that Gore and McCain are pushing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 July 3, 2008 Uh oh....someone dissed the Goreacle ® I was unaware that McCain was flying around to various global warming summits and telling everyone how they'd have to tighten their belts (figuratively speaking), while the energy consumption at his house *increased*.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #18 July 3, 2008 >I was unaware that McCain was flying around to various global warming >summits and telling everyone how they'd have to tighten their belts >(figuratively speaking) And I was unaware that Gore was saying he would use his authority as president to make mandatory cuts in your CO2 emissions! Are you swinging towards the "regulations are better than voluntary compliance" side of things, Mike? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 July 3, 2008 Quote>I was unaware that McCain was flying around to various global warming >summits and telling everyone how they'd have to tighten their belts >(figuratively speaking) And I was unaware that Gore was saying he would use his authority as president to make mandatory cuts in your CO2 emissions! Are you swinging towards the "regulations are better than voluntary compliance" side of things, Mike? Odd... I thought Gore said he'd sign Kyoto as President....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #20 July 3, 2008 >I thought Gore said he'd sign Kyoto as President.... And I was unaware he was running! You must be more up on current events than I am. No matter. What's important is that you now support a candidate who will pledge to reduce CO2 emissions. I see that as progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 July 3, 2008 Quote>I thought Gore said he'd sign Kyoto as President.... And I was unaware he was running! You must be more up on current events than I am. No matter. What's important is that you now support a candidate who will pledge to reduce CO2 emissions. I see that as progress. You're the one that used "Gore" and "president". I don't recall EVER saying we didn't need to reduce CO2, Bill... but that DOES seem to be the default assumption whenever someone brings up questions about AGWMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #22 July 3, 2008 >I don't recall EVER saying we didn't need to reduce CO2, Bill . . . Cool. So you agree with Gore and McCain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 July 3, 2008 Quote>I don't recall EVER saying we didn't need to reduce CO2, Bill . . . Cool. So you agree with Gore and McCain. To a degree, yes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #24 July 3, 2008 Weren't you left wingers up in arms when GWB tried to make a national energy strategy early in his presidency? Out of morbid curiosity... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 July 3, 2008 Quote Weren't you left wingers up in arms when GWB tried to make a national energy strategy early in his presidency? Out of morbid curiosity... That's different - just like it's different talking about the Crawford ranch having a heat pump instead of normal a/c, tile heatsinks, cistern rainwater catchment and graywater irrigation. It's ok, though... Al purchases carbon credits to offset heating his swimming pool.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
