warpedskydiver 0 #1 June 26, 2008 Wayne Lapierre has announced just now that the NRA will be filing today againts Chicago, in light of the Heller vs. DC decision. Woohoo!!!! Kallend will need a Xanax Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #2 June 26, 2008 I don't live in Chicago. There's a gun store 2.4 miles from my house - I've even shopped there. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 June 26, 2008 Quote ...I've even shopped there. Why did I have a sudden image of you stalking the aisles with a hidden camera? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #4 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote ...I've even shopped there. Why did I have a sudden image of you stalking the aisles with a hidden camera? LOL www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #5 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote ...I've even shopped there. Why did I have a sudden image of you stalking the aisles with a hidden camera? Well they sure could have done with one 10 years ago. The former owner and his son were shot dead in the store.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #6 June 26, 2008 I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #7 June 26, 2008 QuoteI'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #8 June 26, 2008 Yep, I'm convinced now. Guns sure are useless for self defense.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #9 June 26, 2008 QuoteYep, I'm convinced now. Guns sure are useless for self defense. "Data" is not the plural of "incident".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #10 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner. We do? You mind providing a link about how it went down because I'd really like to take your word for it but yeah...I'm not going to. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #11 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner. We do? You mind providing a link about how it went down because I'd really like to take your word for it but yeah...I'm not going to. Calling me a liar? www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55431 The local paper's online records don't go back that far, but I'm sure you'll beliei\ve GUNSNET... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 June 26, 2008 Quote Calling me a liar? Talk about touching nerves. I don't think he said any such thing.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote Calling me a liar? Talk about touching nerves. I don't think he said any such thing. Just wait until the next time he asks someone for supporting info"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #14 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner. We do? You mind providing a link about how it went down because I'd really like to take your word for it but yeah...I'm not going to. Calling me a liar? www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55431 The local paper's online records don't go back that far, but I'm sure you'll beliei\ve GUNSNET I wasn't doubting your claim the two were killed. I was doubting your claim that the guns didn't help them. Did they get ambushed? Was it someone they knew and they got shot in the back? Was there a firefight and they lost? THAT'S why I wanted details. I'm progun but I'm also a realist and realize that firearms are not the end all be all of self defense.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #15 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner. We do? You mind providing a link about how it went down because I'd really like to take your word for it but yeah...I'm not going to. Calling me a liar? www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55431 The local paper's online records don't go back that far, but I'm sure you'll beliei\ve GUNSNET I wasn't doubting your claim the two were killed. I was doubting your claim that the guns didn't help them. Did they get ambushed? Was it someone they knew and they got shot in the back? Was there a firefight and they lost? THAT'S why I wanted details. I'm progun but I'm also a realist and realize that firearms are not the end all be all of self defense. Well, I've given you the victims' names, the gun shop address, and the date of the shooting - maybe you can turn up something I couldn't find. However, my point remains, a shop full of guns and ammunition did them no good.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 June 26, 2008 QuoteHowever, my point remains, a shop full of guns and ammunition did them no good. Calling 9-1-1 did them no good either. Should we scrap the 9-1-1 emergency system as worthless? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #17 June 26, 2008 I was intending on seeing if I couldn't find something more about it. Just been busy dealing with idiots here at work. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner. We do? You mind providing a link about how it went down because I'd really like to take your word for it but yeah...I'm not going to. Calling me a liar? www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55431 The local paper's online records don't go back that far, but I'm sure you'll beliei\ve GUNSNET I wasn't doubting your claim the two were killed. I was doubting your claim that the guns didn't help them. Did they get ambushed? Was it someone they knew and they got shot in the back? Was there a firefight and they lost? THAT'S why I wanted details. I'm progun but I'm also a realist and realize that firearms are not the end all be all of self defense. Well, I've given you the victims' names, the gun shop address, and the date of the shooting - maybe you can turn up something I couldn't find. However, my point remains, a shop full of guns and ammunition did them no good. Ya, and a can of gas in your trunk will not do you any good the instant your tank runs empty either(by the way, I know this is a stupid analogy. I was just trying to match yours)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 June 26, 2008 QuoteHowever, my point remains, a shop full of guns and ammunition did them no good. So, you admit that a weapon that is not immediately accessible is as bad as no weapon at all? That's a start...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #20 June 26, 2008 Now to keep Obama out of office and we should be good for a few more years. In response to a 1996 Independent Voters Of Illinois Questionnaire, Obama indicated that he supported banning the "Manufacture, Sale And Possession Of Handguns." Question: "Do you support state legislation to ... ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns?" Obama's Response: "Yes." (Independent Voters Of Illinois Independent Precinct Organization 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire, Barack Obama Responses, 9/9/96) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 June 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteYep, I'm convinced now. Guns sure are useless for self defense. "Data" is not the plural of "incident". So why are you pointing to this one incident? Bit stinky with that liar bait you dangled out. I know it's a rough day for you, but you can be more artful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 June 26, 2008 Quote Now to keep Obama out of office and we should be good for a few more years. In response to a 1996 Independent Voters Of Illinois Questionnaire, Obama indicated that he supported banning the "Manufacture, Sale And Possession Of Handguns." Question: "Do you support state legislation to ... ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns?" Obama's Response: "Yes." (Independent Voters Of Illinois Independent Precinct Organization 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire, Barack Obama Responses, 9/9/96) People can change their minds over 12 years. Lots of college students have been brainwashed by Brady (and others) due to lack of real world experience, and then they change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #23 June 26, 2008 but he hasn't: “The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, DC,” Obama said. “The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution.” Incidentally, Obama was not one of the 55 senators (including Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Russell Feingold and eight other Democrats) who signed a brief last week arguing the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right and that the DC gun ban was unconstitutional. That brief, also signed by 250 members of the House and Vice President Cheney, urges the Court to strike down the gun ban—and adopt Silberman’s test. Obama wouldn’t go that far. Neither would the Bush Administration. -Voted 'No' on letting people claim a self-defense protection in court for using a gun in their homes despite local weapons bans. (SB2165, 2004) He seems to want to make it a racial issue at times as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #24 June 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm not sure a camera would have done you much good had you been there professor. We DO know FOR SURE that a whole shopful of guns and ammunition didn't help the shop owner. We do? You mind providing a link about how it went down because I'd really like to take your word for it but yeah...I'm not going to. Calling me a liar? www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55431 The local paper's online records don't go back that far, but I'm sure you'll beliei\ve GUNSNET I wasn't doubting your claim the two were killed. I was doubting your claim that the guns didn't help them. Did they get ambushed? Was it someone they knew and they got shot in the back? Was there a firefight and they lost? THAT'S why I wanted details. I'm progun but I'm also a realist and realize that firearms are not the end all be all of self defense. Well, I've given you the victims' names, the gun shop address, and the date of the shooting - maybe you can turn up something I couldn't find. However, my point remains, a shop full of guns and ammunition did them no good. Well i couldn't find any details so your point remains to be unfounded, emotionally based, and insulting. Good day sir. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #25 June 26, 2008 Quote-Voted 'No' on letting people claim a self-defense protection in court for using a gun in their homes despite local weapons bans. (SB2165, 2004) I'm no fan of Obama's stance on guns, but the above bill did not make sense from a logic standpoint. As best I can tell, the bill provided people a defense from municipal weapon possession charges if they used a weapon in self defense in a municipality that banned possession. There's no logic in such legislation. They should have written a bill (or constitutional amendment) that outlawed local gun bans. Alternately, it would have made sense to let things lie so that when someone actually did use a gun in self-defense that they possessed illegally, the public clamour following their misdemeanor possession charge would have been sufficient to prompt a constitutional amendment. Instead, they passed a bill that said "It's illegal for you to possess this gun in some places, however we'll force the municipality to overlook that, but only if you actually use it in self-defense. If you punch them and knock them out and the cops show up and find out you've got a gun, you're screwed." While I like the intent of the bill (allow for self-defense) the execution sucked. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites