FreeflyChile 0 #1 June 24, 2008 So in reading all of the back and forth w/r/t politics that goes on here, and the usual posters that go back and forth with their usual defense of their party and the usual attacks of the opposing party, it got me wondering.... ....to those that are either very much liberal/conservative or if you just know that you'll be voting Obama or McCain already, is there some issue where you agree with the opposing candidate more than the one you plan to vote on? I was going to say 'is there a quality...' but I'm thinking I'd get a lot of "I wish McCain was younger like Obama" or "I wish Obama was a war hero like McCain". So I'm very curious to see what the usual suspects that post in the SC say... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #2 June 24, 2008 I wish McCain (not that I am crazy about either candidate) got mass amounts of adoration and praise for no reason at all like Obama does.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 June 24, 2008 QuoteI wish McCain (not that I am crazy about either candidate) got mass amounts of adoration and praise for no reason at all like Obama does. +1 It'd be nice to see an even playing field in that regardMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #4 June 24, 2008 +2.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #5 June 24, 2008 Quoteis there some issue where you agree with the opposing candidate more than the one you plan to vote on? No. I don't agree with the one I will be voting for in all respects, but I can't think of anything about the other candidate that I find more appealing.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #6 June 24, 2008 A good suntan... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #7 June 24, 2008 So far just a slam on Obama's popularity, which apparently is "for no reason at all." Par for the course here, unfortunately. I am voting for Obama. I am very glad he won the nomination, because otherwise I'd have to choose the best of two bad choices, which would have been McCain. Some things I like about McCain: His energy policies are mostly well thought out, with a few exceptions. I like his approach to controlling greenhouse gas emissions; the cap and trade system needs some more work but is a good starting point. I admire his courage under fire, and especially while he was a POW. I agree withm many of his positions on border control. He has some good ideas on health care reform, especially expanded coverage and coverage portability. Also some good ideas on preventability (i.e. support of smoking cessation programs.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #8 June 24, 2008 >It'd be nice to see an even playing field in that regard. Unfortunately, we live in a democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 June 24, 2008 Quote>It'd be nice to see an even playing field in that regard. Unfortunately, we live in a democracy. Not on the part of the new orgs...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 June 24, 2008 QuoteI wish McCain (not that I am crazy about either candidate) got mass amounts of adoration and praise for no reason at all like Obama does. easily done - he need only discard the failed policies of the current Administration. Unlike Clinton in 2000, Bush wouldn't have a chance of winning in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 June 24, 2008 I wish Obama had some military experience and a more relaxed position on gun control. Other than those, I can't immediately think of any issues on which McCain's position is more desireable. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #12 June 25, 2008 Quote Some things I like about McCain: His energy policies are mostly well thought out, with a few exceptions. I like his approach to controlling greenhouse gas emissions; the cap and trade system needs some more work but is a good starting point. McCain also has a better ethanol policy. i.e., eliminate the $0.50 per gallon subsidy and the import tax on (sugar cane based ethanol). I don't know whether Obama supports such subsidies because of being from the midwest, or just misguided regarding corn based ethanol. Still voting for Obama, but not happy about that issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #13 June 25, 2008 >McCain also has a better ethanol policy. i.e., eliminate the $0.50 >per gallon subsidy and the import tax on (sugar cane based ethanol). Agreed. The demand is now there, and cellulosic should start picking up the slack (which won't happen while we heavily subsidize ethanol.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 June 25, 2008 I know McCain's war injuries prevent him from having the kind of hook shot Obama has. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #15 June 25, 2008 > I know McCain's war injuries prevent him from having the kind of hook > shot Obama has. On the other hand, McCain is by far the superior bowler. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #16 June 25, 2008 QuoteMcCain is by far the superior bowler. Good call. I knew there had to something better about McCain. (I need to look more closely at their respective policies regarding ethanol, as well.)Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #17 June 29, 2008 I wish McCain had the charisma that Obama has. There's no doubt about it that Sen. Obama can talk a good talk. Too bad there's no experience behind it. Anyway, being a practising Catholic; it precludes me from voting for Obama. Not that my vote will matter Electoraly. I vote in the bluest of states. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #18 June 29, 2008 QuoteAnyway, being a practising Catholic; it precludes me from voting for Obama. Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #19 June 30, 2008 Quote Quote Anyway, being a practising Catholic; it precludes me from voting for Obama. Why? everyone knows that catholics are racist and sexist. do you think the pope will ever be anything but an old white guy.actually, i would guess its the abortion issue and maybe a few other social issues where liberals and catholics oppose each other. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #20 June 30, 2008 QuoteAnyway, being a practising Catholic; it precludes me from voting for Obama. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why? A practising Catholic is forbidden to promote, encourage, partake, etc. in an abortion. This includes voting for any political candidate that is Pro-Choice. Knowingly doing this is a mortal sin in the Catholic faith. Even though there may be some issues that I agree with Senator Obama on, I'm not willing to go against my faith for him. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #21 June 30, 2008 Quoteeveryone knows that catholics are racist and sexist. do you think the pope will ever be anything but an old white guy. Racism and Sexism are also considered to be mortal sins according to the Catholic Catechism. This has nothing to do with the pope but rather doctrine. As for whether the pope will ever be anything but an 'old white guy', the answer is very possibly. There are Cardinals of other races. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 June 30, 2008 Quote A practising Catholic is forbidden to promote, encourage, partake, etc. in an abortion. This includes voting for any political candidate that is Pro-Choice. Knowingly doing this is a mortal sin in the Catholic faith. So it's impossible for a Democrat to be a practicing Catholic. Not only are they non practicing, they're guilty of mortal sins. And the religious right wonders why so many in the public distrust and despise them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #23 July 1, 2008 >A practising Catholic is forbidden to promote, encourage, partake, etc. >in an abortion. This includes voting for any political candidate that is >Pro-Choice. Knowingly doing this is a mortal sin in the Catholic faith. I like it! Vote against X or you're going straight to Hell! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #24 July 1, 2008 Quote>A practising Catholic is forbidden to promote, encourage, partake, etc. >in an abortion. This includes voting for any political candidate that is >Pro-Choice. Knowingly doing this is a mortal sin in the Catholic faith. I like it! Vote against X or you're going straight to Hell! Of course, voting FOR X could also result in hell here.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #25 July 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteAnyway, being a practising Catholic; it precludes me from voting for Obama. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why? A practising Catholic is forbidden to promote, encourage, partake, etc. in an abortion. This includes voting for any political candidate that is Pro-Choice. Knowingly doing this is a mortal sin in the Catholic faith. Even though there may be some issues that I agree with Senator Obama on, I'm not willing to go against my faith for him. It's not that simple. The above argument automatically assumes the Statist idea that it is Government Aggression that is the best tool for stopping abortions. Edited to add: Also, the Catholic Church's Pro-Life doctrine does not just begin and end with the Abortion issue. The Catholic church also opposes capital punishment, euthanasia, and un-just war. And these issues are included in the Church's Pro-Life doctrine. From the Catechism: QuoteThe strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time: -the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; -all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; -there must be serious prospects of success; -the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition. I guess that means that practising Catholics are forbidden from supporting candidates who promote unjust wars as well. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites