mjosparky 4 #1 June 21, 2008 Jack Alderson was my Skipper in 1966/67 while I was part of Project SHAD. See attachment. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #2 June 21, 2008 QuoteJack Alderson was my Skipper in 1966/67 while I was part of Project SHAD. See attachment. SparkyLets see how the hardcore (my govt. will take care of me) vets will respond. Do you really need an answer to this question.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 June 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteJack Alderson was my Skipper in 1966/67 while I was part of Project SHAD. See attachment. SparkyLets see how the hardcore (my govt. will take care of me) vets will respond. Do you really need an answer to this question. I won't try to defend this, it was a different generation of people in government and the military back then. What I can tell you without hesitation, is that it is the Vietnam generation that has ensured the current generation of vets are getting orders-of-magnitude better care from A-Z. They have done so, at the expense of their own cause, and that shows how great a generation they are. I believe the VA will clear the way, but it will be a trudge. Edit to add: I did find some information that may be helpful for any vets from that time, and might have been involved in Project SHAD: www.projectshad.org They also outline some contact information and a hotline contact at the VA http://www.projectshad.org/contact.htm Unfortunately, the site doesn't look like it's been keeping up with recent events. I found this on OSD site: http://fhp.osd.mil/shad/faqs.jsp But, in case the question doesn't pop up, here the text I'm citing: QuoteQuestion Many of those involved in these tests may be reluctant to come forward for security reasons. What will the DoD and the VA do to ensure they know they may come forward? Answer Some veterans have told us they are concerned about possibly releasing classified information about these tests when discussing their health concerns. We have discussed these concerns with staff at the Department of Veterans Affairs and advised them that veterans may provide details that affect their health with their health care provider. In turn, the VA included our response in their notification letter: "You may provide details that affect your health to your health care provider. For example, you may discuss what you believe your exposure was at the time, reactions, treatment you sought or received, and the general location and time of the tests. On the other hand, you should not discuss anything that relates to operation information that might reveal chemical or biological warfare vulnerabilities or capabilities." Veterans are welcome to contact our staff at (800) 497-6261 for confirmation that they will not violate security requirements by stating that they were involved in Deseret Test Center tests. Also, it's likely the VA knows about this too: QuoteQuestion Have you provided names to the VA? Answer Yes, for each fact sheet that we published we provided the VA lists of those known to be involved. Because crew lists and unit rosters are not classified, we provided them to the VA while the declassification effort was underway. This gave the VA an opportunity to begin converting service numbers into social security numbers to find addresses for these veterans in advance of the announcement.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #4 June 21, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Jack Alderson was my Skipper in 1966/67 while I was part of Project SHAD. See attachment. Sparky Lets see how the hardcore (my govt. will take care of me) vets will respond. Do you really need an answer to this question. I won't try to defend this, it was a different generation of people in government and the military back then. What I can tell you without hesitation, is that it is the Vietnam generation that has ensured the current generation of vets are getting orders-of-magnitude better care from A-Z. They have done so, at the expense of their own cause, and that shows how great a generation they are. I believe the VA will clear the way, but it will be a trudge. Edit to add: I did find some information that may be helpful for any vets from that time, and might have been involved in Project SHAD: www.projectshad.org They also outline some contact information and a hotline contact at the VA http://www.projectshad.org/contact.htm Unfortunately, the site doesn't look like it's been keeping up with recent events. I found this on OSD site: http://fhp.osd.mil/shad/faqs.jsp But, in case the question doesn't pop up, here the text I'm citing: Quote Question Many of those involved in these tests may be reluctant to come forward for security reasons. What will the DoD and the VA do to ensure they know they may come forward? Answer Some veterans have told us they are concerned about possibly releasing classified information about these tests when discussing their health concerns. We have discussed these concerns with staff at the Department of Veterans Affairs and advised them that veterans may provide details that affect their health with their health care provider. In turn, the VA included our response in their notification letter: "You may provide details that affect your health to your health care provider. For example, you may discuss what you believe your exposure was at the time, reactions, treatment you sought or received, and the general location and time of the tests. On the other hand, you should not discuss anything that relates to operation information that might reveal chemical or biological warfare vulnerabilities or capabilities." Veterans are welcome to contact our staff at (800) 497-6261 for confirmation that they will not violate security requirements by stating that they were involved in Deseret Test Center tests. Also, it's likely the VA knows about this too: Quote Question Have you provided names to the VA? Answer Yes, for each fact sheet that we published we provided the VA lists of those known to be involved. Because crew lists and unit rosters are not classified, we provided them to the VA while the declassification effort was underway. This gave the VA an opportunity to begin converting service numbers into social security numbers to find addresses for these veterans in advance of the announcement. Gimme a break. Same shit different day. Govt's all over the world could not give a flying fuck about their citizens. Mo money in my pocket lying thieving corrupt motherfuckers. Do you really thing they give a fuck about you? Wake up man. This is the REAL world. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #5 June 21, 2008 Will the Government lie to you? Did the DoD and DoE cover up deliberate exposure of military and civilians to radiation during the cold war? Did the government experiment on sick men at Tuskeegee? Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear crap in the woods?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 June 21, 2008 Quote Will the Government lie to you? Did the DoD and DoE cover up deliberate exposure of military and civilians to radiation during the cold war? Did the government experiment on sick men at Tuskeegee? Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear crap in the woods? Does a fat dog waddle? Does a wooden horse have a hickory dick? They been at it for a long time.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #7 June 21, 2008 Is a frogs ass water tight? I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #8 June 21, 2008 *cough* WMD's *cough* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 June 21, 2008 "I did not have sex with that woman"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #10 June 21, 2008 Mission accomplished! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 June 21, 2008 "We pledge to make this the most honest, ethical, and open Congress in history." - Nancy Pelosi "The most ethical administration in the history of the Republic." - Bill ClintonMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #12 June 21, 2008 Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls? I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #13 June 22, 2008 QuoteWill the Government lie to you? Did Building 7 fall into its own footprint? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #14 June 22, 2008 "I'm sorry, I can't recall", R. Reagan "I am not a crook", R. Nixon "Read my lips..", G.W.H. Bush ""Our budget will run a deficit that will be small and short-term." G.W Bush, 2002 State of the Union... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #15 June 22, 2008 Quote""Our budget will run a deficit that will be small and short-term." G.W Bush, 2002 State of the Union Man that's really a good one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 June 23, 2008 "It depends on how you define 'alone'" "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" "You can't say you love your country and hate your government" "You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles" "African-Americans watch the same news at night that ordinary Americans do." -- W.B.J. ClintonMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #17 June 23, 2008 Quote "It depends on how you define 'alone'" "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" "You can't say you love your country and hate your government" "You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles" "African-Americans watch the same news at night that ordinary Americans do." -- W.B.J. Clinton Do you REALLY want a full listing of GWB quotes?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 June 23, 2008 Do YOU really want a full listing of Clinton ones? I think we've adequately covered that they're ALL fucktards, don't you think?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #19 June 25, 2008 so WHY the hell do we keep voting for the same thing with a different face and voice? Do we enjoy being lied to or what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #20 June 25, 2008 Right I say storm the Bastille! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #21 June 26, 2008 www.the-twin-paradox.comwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
