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QuoteQuoteAs the prophecy says it will be destroyed by fire. Meaning that God knew this weapon would be "unearthed".
Hmmm … sounds like metaphor for burning fossil fuels leading to global warming, creating an environment that is less than hospitable to mankind.
Or, perhaps, like yours, my interpretation is based upon starting with a conclusion, and then picking and choosing passages to match my conclusion. Having said that, my interpretation makes every bit as much sense as yours.
Yes of course. You know that I am a believer, so my thoughts are taken that way. I am inspired to not worry, to be as loving as possible, and to not be afraid, but I am also inspired to understand the prophecy as it unfolds. Jesus told us to "interperet the times" like we "interperet the weather". All I can do is follow the spirit of grace and be ready, aware, prepared, and waiting.
I told you a while back that God gives desires to people, he gave you a desire for science and exploration of the universe for understanding, but this doesnt mean you have to deny him for the rest of your life, or that you have to deny your desire for science. The Gospel is about the heart as it is faced with the challenges and circumstances of the world so that love might reveal its power as all conquering and empowering (its glory). My desire is to make sure people dont miss out on the love of Christ so that together we can be united with one love that is pure and good. My desire is to advance the kingdom of Heaven.
"We didn't start the fire"
>Do you think that man doesnt have the ability or the will to destroy himself???
The ability? sure. Could have done that with the cold war and MAD.
The will? Of course not. The desire of the species to continue to live is one of the most obvious forces in biology. Fear of death is arguably the most innate of human traits.
The ability? sure. Could have done that with the cold war and MAD.
The will? Of course not. The desire of the species to continue to live is one of the most obvious forces in biology. Fear of death is arguably the most innate of human traits.
You sure have alot of faith in mankind. But do you understand the power of evil? Have you ever truly seen its manifestation in man? It is not as heartfilled as you are, and does have the will to destroy itself so it can advance its principles and authority.
"We didn't start the fire"
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>But do you understand the power of evil? Have you ever truly seen
>its manifestation in man? It is not as heartfilled as you are . . .
All too often, evil is just good taken to an extreme. There is no separate "force of evil" just as there is no separate "force of good." The only evil or good that gets done is done by people; we _are_ both forces. Labeling them with "God" and "Satan" is just an abstraction that most people understand does not have anything to do with what happens in the world.
>its manifestation in man? It is not as heartfilled as you are . . .
All too often, evil is just good taken to an extreme. There is no separate "force of evil" just as there is no separate "force of good." The only evil or good that gets done is done by people; we _are_ both forces. Labeling them with "God" and "Satan" is just an abstraction that most people understand does not have anything to do with what happens in the world.
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QuoteI told you a while back that God gives desires to people, he gave you a desire for science and exploration of the universe for understanding, but this doesnt mean you have to deny him for the rest of your life, or that you have to deny your desire for science.
Who said I deny God? I just recognize the validity of science, so I understand that any reasonable interpretation of a holy book must be consistent with things that we know, without need for explanations involving supernatural beings or reliance on things yet explained by science.
Quote… so that together we can be united with one love that is pure and good.
One Love? Excellent idea.
"Is there a place for the hopeless sinner who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?"
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Quote>But do you understand the power of evil? Have you ever truly seen
>its manifestation in man? It is not as heartfilled as you are . . .
All too often, evil is just good taken to an extreme. There is no separate "force of evil" just as there is no separate "force of good." The only evil or good that gets done is done by people; we _are_ both forces. Labeling them with "God" and "Satan" is just an abstraction that most people understand does not have anything to do with what happens in the world.
I agree with you and disagree with you. People are evil, people are not good. Only God is good. Of course it makes sense to you that people are not being inspired by anything, because you seem to not be a believer. So we know that man has the knowledge of good and evil within them or at least we agree on that. We dont agree on who leads us into those paths. Jesus says the ruler of the world is the prince of darkness (rebellion against God and the worship of self), to me it seems clear that many follow his path. Those who follow Jesus, follow the path of righteousness, but it is not always easy because the knowledge of evil within us beckons.
Therefore we know if the conflict within us has to resist evil, then we are not in Gods kingdom just yet. But as we follow the way of Gods kingdom, when we are no longer with the knowledge of evil, (as we are already being transformed through his grace) the true goodness of God in all his glory will be revealed to us. So, while we are being led that way, we are not there yet, meaning that none of us are good and all of us are evil. It is clear also to me that while we follow either path, we can feel the paths destination. That is, if I follow the world and its desires, I get the world and its desires. If I follow Jesus and his desires, I get Jesus and his desires. One leads to death in the soul, the other to life. One is perishing right in front of our eyes, the other exists eternaly in the spirit.
You dont have to be the wisest man on earth to look around and see that what you have will perish with time.
"We didn't start the fire"
Who said I deny God? I just recognize the validity of science, so I understand that any reasonable interpretation of a holy book must be consistent with things that we know, without need for explanations involving supernatural beings or reliance on things yet explained by science.
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It is funny. I very well could be wrong, but I dont think "supernatural" or "being" is even in the bible to describe the beautiful God. God is spirit. I believe also that the bible is consistent with what I know. One could use the wisdom found in the bible and apply it to physcology or even phiosophy. If the wisdom of the Gospel can change the life of a man for the better, you would think science would at least grant it a little worth. What matters more than helping a man live a better more full life?
There is a spiritual wisdom, an invisible (to some) wisdom that when received and understood can empower a fuller life within us. Its invisible because it is wisdom that can be written down over and over again, but that doesnt mean that it will be recieved. When it is recieved, it can empower and enlighten. It is invisible, with no evidence except the testimony of the one who understood it, either by his actions or his words and it is a continuous gift that can be found on both sides of the planet simutaneously. Im talking about wisdom here in general. How it applies to the Gospel is that I have found this enlightening wisdom is in the flow of righteousness and love...the spirit of God.Quote… so that together we can be united with one love that is pure and good.
One Love? Excellent idea.
"Is there a place for the hopeless sinner who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?"
That didnt sound right, so I looked up the lyrics. "Is there a place for the hopeless sinner who has hurt all mankind just to save his own? Believe me."
I believe Bob was saying why hurt anyone just to save your own heart, or life? Surely there isnt a reward for such a deed. Believe me, I have the answer...one love, one heart.
Jesus said something similar, he said, whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but who ever loses his life for my sake will find it. It is a call to surrender, humbleness, and one love in Christ. But poetry can and often is misinterperted, fortunately for those in Christ, the spirit of grace guides us through the falseness. Even through what seems to have been lost in translation and yet still preached with sharp conviction.
Everlasting love is the theme of the entire new testament, and the gift of righteousness through this love. Also the promise of the end of sins torment and the establishment of an eternal righteous kingdom full of joy, content, and happiness, and endless commune with the beautiful God.
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"We didn't start the fire"
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QuoteIf the wisdom of the Gospel can change the life of a man for the better, you would think science would at least grant it a little worth.
Science is non-judgmental. Form a testable hypothesis claiming god's existence, and you'll have no problem getting science to test it objectively.
QuoteWhat matters more than helping a man live a better more full life?
Finding the truth of reality. (That's truth by its standard definition, not the imaginary definition that has been used so often in these discussions.)
QuoteQuoteQuote… so that together we can be united with one love that is pure and good.
One Love? Excellent idea.
"Is there a place for the hopeless sinner who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?"
That didnt sound right, so I looked up the lyrics. "Is there a place for the hopeless sinner who has hurt all mankind just to save his own? Believe me."
Before I posted, I checked 6-8 different sites to verify the lyrics. Only one misquoted the lyrics as you have. I have close to a dozen different versions of the song, and I can assure you that I posted the lyrics correctly.
QuoteI believe Bob was saying why hurt anyone just to save your own heart, or life? Surely there isnt a reward for such a deed. Believe me, I have the answer...one love, one heart.
I think he was commenting on the damage to the world done in the name of Christianity, and how so many devout Christians have completely discarded the teachings of Christ in favor of the teachings of the modern church.
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>People are evil, people are not good. Only God is good.
There is good and bad in everyone, even atheists.
>Of course it makes sense to you that people are not being inspired by
>anything, because you seem to not be a believer.
You know what they say about assumptions.
> Jesus says the ruler of the world is the prince of darkness (rebellion
>against God and the worship of self), to me it seems clear that many
>follow his path. Those who follow Jesus, follow the path of righteousness,
>but it is not always easy because the knowledge of evil within us beckons.
Yes. And both those things are _metaphors_ for what we choose to do with our lives. There really isn't a Dark Prince/the Devil/Beelzebub/Lucifer/Voldemort who is pulling the strings, although every single religion (and nearly every single culture) has an analogue of such an "evil personified" being. It's because we enjoy metaphors, and thus we anthropomorphize the conflicting desires within us.
There is good and bad in everyone, even atheists.
>Of course it makes sense to you that people are not being inspired by
>anything, because you seem to not be a believer.
You know what they say about assumptions.
> Jesus says the ruler of the world is the prince of darkness (rebellion
>against God and the worship of self), to me it seems clear that many
>follow his path. Those who follow Jesus, follow the path of righteousness,
>but it is not always easy because the knowledge of evil within us beckons.
Yes. And both those things are _metaphors_ for what we choose to do with our lives. There really isn't a Dark Prince/the Devil/Beelzebub/Lucifer/Voldemort who is pulling the strings, although every single religion (and nearly every single culture) has an analogue of such an "evil personified" being. It's because we enjoy metaphors, and thus we anthropomorphize the conflicting desires within us.
If you're going to blatantly spam the forums, could you at least learn to use the proper markup?
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