Who would Jesus bomb?

[rynodigsmusic 0]

I disagree. In today's political climate, someone whose beliefs and actions are aligned with the teachings of Christ would indeed be an extreme liberal, just as Christ was (according to the Gospels) in his time.

[rynodigsmusic 0]

Of course. We are social animals; we get a lot of input from the rest of the world (parents, friends, the media, religion etc.) Who we are is a conglomeration of our essential selves (ids, if you like) and all the above.

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>>>>We both agree that influence operates in the flow of humanity and everything else. Goodness, we can be influenced easily by nature alltogether. What we dont agree on is the spiritual aspect of the flow of God. Sin and Grace so that Grace can floursih. Love that expresses itself with love.

>We are tempted by what we want, but what we want is not always what
>we desire, so if that is the case, and we dont want what we think we do,
>what is influencing our temptation?

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A great many things. The simplest would be the guy who wants the Big Mac but doesn't want to die of heart disease. The rationales stretch from there to some very complex sets of desires.

>>>>I dont believe that man tempts himself, but he is tempted by his own evil desire.

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> I still think it has to do with people not wanting their children to grow up
> in an enviornment in which homosexuality is acceptable.

They feel that by "removing the influence" they won't "go astray."

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>>>>That seems a bit harsh, I hope you wont associate that with me. My stance is still that i try not to get involved, as what is progressing in the world will progress inevitably with or without my engagement. My desire is to live in the spirit and fashion my heart around its desires. I do not have anything against gays and if my children "went astray", while I dont have to condone it, I would accept it as a casualty of the inevitable influence and seek the guidence I need from the Lord. Im sure you will have a problem with my use of the word casuality, but i think you know my balance by now.

Ignoring the homophobic aspect of that, it works about as well as parents who don't tell their teens anything about sex so they won't do it.

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>>>>Again, my job is to teach my children righteousness, not to make them follow, God doesnt want people to be forced to love him. Love desires to love and to be loved with ever increasing measures.

I'm not too worried about it, though. When Loving vs Virginia was finally overturned, there were a lot of people who thought the country would collapse when it became legal for blacks to marry whites. What if their beautiful young daughter married a Negro? What could be worse?

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>>>>Hmmm. I must be putting off the wrong vibe here. I hope you dont have me all wrong. Im not worried about it, that actually goes against one of my greatest desires, as Jesus said do not worry. I guess I need to go back and check my posts. If I offended anyone, I am sorry.

But as time went on, and that happened, and the country didn't collapse - people accepted it. Nowadays we don't even think it's all that sinful. We'll get there with gay marriage as well.

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>>>>Again, I dont have a problem with gay marriage, but I will continue to express that when it comes to seeking the righteousness of God, it wont be accepted, at least not the way I see it. But I really dont care, the most important thing is that people continue to recieve the spirit of grace, and let that guide them. God is the judge of man, not me, and he knows the true heart of man.

"We didn't start the fire"

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[hairyjuan 0]

depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction, we are using it in iraq. usc 40, chao 40, sec 3202

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TITLE 40--PUBLIC BUILDINGS, PROPERTY, AND WORKS

There is no chapter 40 in Title 40.

Go blow your smoke somewhere else.

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which jesus do you mean? the one described in an old book or any other guy named jesus having his finger on the trigger?

this one?

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depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction, we are using it in iraq. usc 40, chao 40, sec 3202

hmmm. a creation of science right? Mans desire to master the world? I dont remember Jesus talking about killing others. Dont get me wrong, science is good, but unfortunately can be used for evil as well. As can religion. Therefore, what Jesus says about evil running the world seems pretty believable to me. But, thats just me.

"We didn't start the fire"

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hmmm. a creation of science right? Mans desire to master the world? .

what?? you really don't understand much what science is about.

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[hairyjuan 0]

Title 50, chapter 40, section 2302 depleted uranium is a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN 2 OUT OF THE CATEGORIES



Title 50 happens to be War and National Defense.


You may enjoy these definitions from Black's Law Dictionary$th Edition

Liberty-Freedom from extraniuos control

License- What a BELLIGERENT state does to it enemies and its own citizens


from the Dictionary of cultural literacy 3rd edition-

POLICE STATE- Any nation that uses the police or the military to maintain order.



without a doubt you need to do some homework

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


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[billvon 3,120]

> a creation of science right?

Nope. U-238 is natural.

>I dont remember Jesus talking about killing others.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."

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Let's get back to the original thread.

Jesus would not have bombed anyone, because although he was merely a man, he was a peaceful man!

Too bad his message has been overshadowed by the shouts of "hellfire and brimstone" of the preachers.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd."
-Bertrand Russell

But let's not forget ego and greed, they are great catalysts.

PeaceOut,
Jeanie

~~We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly~~MLK

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> a creation of science right?

Nope. U-238 is natural.

>I dont remember Jesus talking about killing others.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."

>>>>The enrichment process is not natural is it? The bombs they go on arent natural are they? Goodness sakes bill, and I thought you had my balance.

>>>>The sword of the spirit is the word of God. Hebrews 4. It is there so that we can fight in the spirit. When you read the Gospel, did you miss the sermon on the mount? After a comment like that, I am wondering if you read the Gospel at all now! Dont take it personally, I just dont want people getting the wrong idea about Jesus because you misinterpreted one scripture in the Gospel. Everything in this world tries to attack our faith in grace, even our own thoughts. Jesus said, only if you tie up a strong man can you enter his house. Think about a love you have for someone and how circumstances in life can actually get you to question that love. Dont think it happens? It does.

"We didn't start the fire"

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The enrichment process is not natural is it?

Depleted uranium has the radioactive isotopes of uranium removed.

The radioactive isotopes are removed in the enrichment process. What's enriched becomes enriched uranium, which is not depleted uranium.

Radioactivity is natural. All bananas (containing potassium-40) are radioactive.

Arsenic and the variola major virus (the causitive agent of smallpox) are also all natural.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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[billvon 3,120]

>The enrichment process is not natural is it?

We were talking about depleted (U-238) uranium; that is the opposite of enriched.

>The bombs they go on arent natural are they?

Depleted uranium is useless as fissile material for bombs.

>When you read the Gospel, did you miss the sermon on the mount?

Nope! Just another example of how you can get just about whatever you like from the Bible, depending on what you pay attention to.

Have you read Revelation? A lot of pain, suffering and killing there.

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Radioactivity is natural. All bananas (containing potassium-40) are radioactive.

KEWL.. now I have another reason to even hate the SMELL of banana's and stay the hell away from them.. I already have enough of an accumulated dose of radiation in this lifetime.

[hairyjuan 0]

LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE

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[rynodigsmusic 0]

Depleted uranium is useless as fissile material for bombs.

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>>>>I got your point, I just dont think you got mine.

Nope! Just another example of how you can get just about whatever you like from the Bible, depending on what you pay attention to.

Have you read Revelation? A lot of pain, suffering and killing there.

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...or you could be reading what you want to read from the Bible and making it fit your already formed viewpoint... again.

People like you have been forcasting the end of the world based on current events for decades, nothing new here. I'm just glad we all made it thru that Y2K bug, I thought for sure that would be the death of us all!!! Must have been God helping.

My own grandfather told his kids not to worry about jobs when they grow up because he was certain that Jesus would return before the year 2000. All that cold war stuff had to signal the end, right?? Thankfully, someone in the family did not listen to him.

[rynodigsmusic 0]

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...or you could be reading what you want to read from the Bible and making it fit your already formed viewpoint... again.

People like you have been forcasting the end of the world based on current events for decades, nothing new here. I'm just glad we all made it thru that Y2K bug, I thought for sure that would be the death of us all!!! Must have been God helping.

My own grandfather told his kids not to worry about jobs when they grow up because he was certain that Jesus would return before the year 2000. All that cold war stuff had to signal the end, right?? Thankfully, someone in the family did not listen to him.

I wasnt forecasting. I was revealing the prophecy as it is written as best I know how. Do you think that man doesnt have the ability or the will to destroy himself???

What makes you think I want to read about the end of the world??? I merely acknowledge that due to our ability to create mass destruction on more than one level (warfare, enviornmental, morality) it is possible that one day this destruction could manifest into the "perfect storm", as what is revealed in the prophecy.

I am not a prophet, God has not spoken to me. I am not a teacher, I think I am too afraid of saying the wrong thing. I am only a man who desires to love Jesus as much as he would allow me to. Everything I know I get from grace.

"We didn't start the fire"

[billvon 3,120]

>And since nerdgirl reveals that the entire process of uranium enrichment is
>natural, that would seem to fit in with the prophecy of the end of the world.

The first uranium enrichment, and subsequent use in a nuclear reactor, happened approximately four billion years ago in the Oklo reactors. The world didn't end then (fortunately) and I suspect it won't end just because we have nuclear reactors (or weapons.)

Now, if we are foolish enough to use them, we may well succeed in wiping out much of humanity. But we won't wipe us all out, and most of the earth will survive just fine. (Google "Red Forest" in Chernobyl.)

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As the prophecy says it will be destroyed by fire. Meaning that God knew this weapon would be "unearthed".

Hmmm … sounds like metaphor for burning fossil fuels leading to global warming, creating an environment that is less than hospitable to mankind.

Or, perhaps, like yours, my interpretation is based upon starting with a conclusion, and then picking and choosing passages to match my conclusion. Having said that, my interpretation makes every bit as much sense as yours.

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But we won't wipe us all out, and most of the earth will survive just fine.

Serious question: Would using nuclear weapons, especially in large numbers, increase the incidence of gene mutations? If so, would that effectively be, for lack of a better phrase, spiking the rate at which evolution occurs?

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[billvon 3,120]

>Would using nuclear weapons, especially in large numbers, increase the
> incidence of gene mutations?

Absolutely.

> If so, would that effectively be, for lack of a better phrase, spiking the
>rate at which evolution occurs?

Slightly, yes. Most mutations are deadly, so it woudn't have an immediate effect.

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Absolutely.
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Slightly, yes. Most mutations are deadly, so it woudn't have an immediate effect.

Thanks.

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[billvon 3,120]

BTW if you want to see how this works in the real world, google "Red forest chernobyl." An unfortunate (or fortunate, if you're an animal) real world experiment.

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Depleted uranium has the radioactive isotopes of uranium removed.

The radioactive isotopes are removed in the enrichment process. What's enriched becomes enriched uranium, which is not depleted uranium.

Radioactivity is natural. All bananas (containing potassium-40) are radioactive.

Arsenic and the variola major virus (the causitive agent of smallpox) are also all natural.

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And since nerdgirl reveals that the entire process of uranium enrichment is natural, that would seem to fit in with the prophecy of the end of the world.

I'm sorry. Apparently I was unclear in my earlier response.

Radioactivity is natural. Neither the enrichment of uranium, nor the isolation of natural plutonium, nor the creation of synthetic plutonium from natural uranium is natural (where natural means does not require input from humans). Radioactive uranium & one isotope of plutonium occur naturally (like arsenic and smallpox). Depleted uranium is not enriched uranium.

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying