hairyjuan 0 #1 June 20, 2008 When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. currently running a bill of 10 Billion/month. 43,000 dead and wounded of ours. 700,000 dead men, women and children, termed acceptable losses by Madeline Albright. Our use of depleted uranium is defined as a WMD by federal law. 'fear is the root cause of war' www.costofwar.com www.veteransforpeace.com www.iraqveteransagainstthewar.com www.threeworldwars.com we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #2 June 20, 2008 the catholic churchYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #3 June 20, 2008 QuoteWhen Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.Quote Sorry, America does not represent Jesus anymore than Rome tries to. Jesus' battle was not with man, it was with the evil inside of man. And proof that he won the battle at the cross is revealed when you see an evil man repent and become born again. Grace is much stronger than the power of evil. Where fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. There really is no need to hate a Christian, but they stand against sin, and that is why people hate them. Jesus said, the world hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. By him taking the cross for our sin it automatically made us ALL guilty of it. Christians basically expose denial in addiction, and no addict enjoys seeing he is in denial. However, I do not agree that the church should take a political stance on anything, but the intolerance of extreme liberalism is provoking those who dont want to be flooded with sin, so I can see where the engagement in the political sector is coming from. Let me save some time for people. This is satans world (the spirit of the worship of self), the extreme liberals will win, this is in the prophecy. There will be a new established "religion" that desires to eliminate all religions that follow God. The anti christ will then be revealed and the end of the world will come very rapidly after that. Of course during the short lived reign of the anti christ and his new religion, Jesus will come back and the rapture will begin. After that, no one would want to be around. Those who follow the anti christ will follow the fate of him, just as those who follow Jesus follow his fate. Jesus was resurrected and ascended to heaven...that one sounds better to me. Jesus was not a politician, he was against evil, and you cant fight evil with evil, nor fire with fire, so, as evil as man can get, the spirit of grace he revealed is much stronger. With the direction the world is going and the things in the prophecys already showing signs of the beginning of the end, it might be a good idea to at least try to understand the prophecy, this is sincerely only a suggestion."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 29 #4 June 20, 2008 why do i always get a headache after reading just two of your sentences? *leaving sc once again shaking head*The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 29 #5 June 20, 2008 which jesus do you mean? the one described in an old book or any other guy named jesus having his finger on the trigger?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #6 June 20, 2008 Hairyjuan and Rynodogsmusic in the same thread. Do I bring popcorn or put on a flak jacket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 29 #7 June 20, 2008 Quote Hairyjuan and Rynodogsmusic in the same thread. Do I bring popcorn or put on a flak jacket? add a big ammount of painkillers cause the two of them are good for a double-dose of headache The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hausse 0 #8 June 20, 2008 Quotewhy do i always get a headache after reading just two of your sentences? *leaving sc once again shaking head* Don't know why but all the christian crap tends to do that to me too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #9 June 20, 2008 QuoteWhere fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. Jesus was an extreme liberal. Do you think Jesus would approve fascism?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VTmotoMike08 0 #10 June 20, 2008 Another one of your typical posts that basically makes the following claim: >(This) is gonna happen! >>How do you know? >Because it says it in the Bible! >>How do you know the Bible is right? >Because Jesus says it is! >>How do you know that Jesus is right? >Because it says it in the Bible!... At least try backing up a single one of your claims with verifiable physical evidence and maybe people on this board would take you seriously. Thats not a PA, but is a comment based on the fact that you always say they same thing and act like everyone else just doesn't understand. Maybe that is a clue that your remarks are nonsensical to any rational person. Sign me up for another dose of that headache medicine, because the rest of your post is really not worth responding to. I'm already done posting here, and I think I will also get some popcorn and watch this one unfold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #11 June 20, 2008 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. Yes, I firmly believe that bla bla bla AND bla are bla. And in conclusion, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tonyhays 86 #12 June 20, 2008 To quote the Big Lebowski..."Nobody fucks with the jesus" “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #13 June 20, 2008 The thing is, when a single post has got so much stuff going on, it is more a sign of rambling incoherence (aka a poorly delivered sermon) than of making any kind of point. This one has Facism, Evil, extreme liberals, guilt, denial, addiction, intolerance, the Antichrist, and the Rapture. ALL IN ONE! My only complaint - - you forgot sexual promiscuity. Throw a little of that in when you mention sin and more people might read it." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AWL71 0 #14 June 20, 2008 Jesus is going to bomb you for starting this post. Jesus just wants to be left alone man.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VTmotoMike08 0 #15 June 20, 2008 I know why Jesus is mad- it must be all of the butt sex going onThere, now it has it all. And I stole that joke from the Daily Show, I would dig up the clip but I'm at work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #16 June 20, 2008 Quote To quote the Big Lebowski..."Nobody fucks with the jesus" To misquote Joe Pesci in Casino: "but what did they know? They were 2000 miles away years ago and I don't know any body who can see that fucking far" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #17 June 20, 2008 Quote the catholic church Works for me. No offense to devout Catholics, but I feel like the Catholic Church has twisted or invented their own perceptions on what Jesus Christ was really all about. Okay, excuse me while I duck out and the shitstorm ensues. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #18 June 20, 2008 >This is satans world (the spirit of the worship of self), the extreme >liberals will win, this is in the prophecy. Jesus was a pretty extreme liberal who won a significant victory over the conservative religious leaders of the time. "Love your neighbor as yourself," "turn the other cheek", "do unto others as you would have done to you" and "blessed be the peacemakers" were all pretty heretical teachings at the time, and nowadays would get him branded as a terrorist-appeasing, defeat-loving, touchy feely liberal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #19 June 20, 2008 Quote>This is satans world (the spirit of the worship of self), the extreme >liberals will win, this is in the prophecy. Jesus was a pretty extreme liberal who won a significant victory over the conservative religious leaders of the time. "Love your neighbor as yourself," "turn the other cheek", "do unto others as you would have done to you" and "blessed be the peacemakers" were all pretty heretical teachings at the time, and nowadays would get him branded as a terrorist-appeasing, defeat-loving, touchy feely liberal. Im not sure I get what your saying. Jesus was very much against anything that caused sin, that doesnt make him a liberal does it? Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. You dont want to believe that satan is in control of this world, yet thats what Jesus came for, to free us from the grasp of this world and its addictive sinful pleasures by allowing us to taste the goodness of God in a desire for righteousness. Have a look at who is at the top of the world. The top is ruled by man. Money and Power. In the Gospel, Jesus contrasted God and money, thats a pretty powerful contrast that has been around for quite some time. In any event, my point was that I have seen more extreme liberals be against me than me against them. It is merely an observation, as I was under the impression that liberals were supposed to advocate liberalism. How is it advocating liberalism when theyre against anything that isnt liberal? Again, my main point is that Jesus is not against the world, but sin, and everything that casues it. It is not to spark a rebellion, but to make us aware that we are slaves to sin so that we might desire to be set free. I can testify that when I lived in sin, although it was pleasureful, it has nothing on the pleasure of the spirit. It just feels good to be good."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #20 June 20, 2008 >Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Agreed. And nowdays, conservatives (the religious right) are generally the people who want a greater union of government and religion (prayer in schools, Ten Commandments on courthouse walls, funding of religious charities, legislation against immoral behavior etc.) >Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. Also agreed. Yet you seem to have put Satan on the "extreme liberal's" side. >You dont want to believe that satan is in control of this world . . . Satan is no more in control of this world than Jesus, or Allah, or Vishnu is. People are in control, and they are influenced by their beliefs in Satan, or Jesus, or Allah. That's why belief is important. >In any event, my point was that I have seen more extreme liberals >be against me than me against them. I suspect some would say the same of extreme Christians. I know a lot of religious types, for example, who work very hard to deny rights for gays. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hausse 0 #21 June 20, 2008 Im not sure I get what your saying. Jesus was very much against anything that caused sin or so say some drunken dudes that lived a few hundred years after jesus and threw together a book filled with bullshit that's now know as the bible, that doesnt make him a liberal does it? Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. Fixed it for ya' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #22 June 20, 2008 Quote Quote Where fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. Jesus was an extreme liberal. Do you think Jesus would approve fascism? First let me say hello, you always make me put on my thinking cap, and I am always checking myself with your posts....so.... No. Fascism goes on the offensive. Jesus went on the offensive but in the spiritual battle, not in the battle over world domination. Jesus didnt force anyone to do anything, he offered. Fascism doesnt offer, so no, Jesus wouldnt approve fascism. Im not a conservative or a liberal, I dont enjoy politics, I enjoy righteousness, and neither parties represent that in my eyes. Ask an extreme liberal if he is a sinner, ask Jesus if he is. Jesus is not an extreme liberal, but nor is he a conservative...he is not of this world and the things it desires, he is of the spirit and desires the purity and love of the hearts of man, sinners and all. A pure man is not a sin free man, he is a man without falseness. I dont think much of the church has grasped that, believe me, I talk to them as well, and I say that as humbly as I can. Think its bad getting bashed in here amongst some of you? Try being challenged by a pastor in the same faith. As I said before, self righteousness and hypocrisy come from inside the church, and these are people who quote scripture. But, this is just how I see this, and either its worthy of being in your conversations, or it isnt. I dont want to offend or fill myself with pride, and I dont see why people have such a hard time just reading something. While you and I disagree on just about everything, we at least enjoy the conversations some, or at least I do."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #23 June 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. Jesus was an extreme liberal. Do you think Jesus would approve fascism? … No. … Jesus is not an extreme liberal … I disagree. In today's political climate, someone whose beliefs and actions are aligned with the teachings of Christ would indeed be an extreme liberal, just as Christ was (according to the Gospels) in his time.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #24 June 20, 2008 Quote>Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Agreed. And nowdays, conservatives (the religious right) are generally the people who want a greater union of government and religion (prayer in schools, Ten Commandments on courthouse walls, funding of religious charities, legislation against immoral behavior etc.) "I do not agree that the church should take a political stance on anything, but the intolerance of extreme liberalism is provoking those who dont want to be flooded with sin, so I can see where the engagement in the political sector is coming from." >Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. Also agreed. Yet you seem to have put Satan on the "extreme liberal's" side.Quote It appears I did. This may have been a mistake, and a bad one at that...Sincere apology to the "Liberals". Satan is on the side of anything that causes sin, which is separation from God. Anything that makes us love something over God. And satan is spirit as well, according to the bible an angel is a spirit. satans spirit is known to man and it is very appealing to us. It is literally the worship of our self as God. It appeals to all our lustful desires while hiding that hardening of the heart and depraving us of the greatest pleasure of being in commune with God and his goodness. >You dont want to believe that satan is in control of this world . . . Satan is no more in control of this world than Jesus, or Allah, or Vishnu is. People are in control, and they are influenced by their beliefs in Satan, or Jesus, or Allah. That's why belief is important. I think you are starting to put something together now. You still believe that we influence ourselves. You dont see the connection yet, there is an influence in the world, but it does not come from ourselves individually. We are tempted by what we want, but what we want is not always what we desire, so if that is the case, and we dont want what we think we do, what is influencing our temptation? Maybe a spirit of rebellion?Quote >In any event, my point was that I have seen more extreme liberals >be against me than me against them. I suspect some would say the same of extreme Christians. I know a lot of religious types, for example, who work very hard to deny rights for gays.Quote Yes your right. I am working hard to understand this myself. I still think it has to do with people not wanting their children to grow up in an enviornment in which homosexuality is acceptable. In any event, people are going to do what they are inspired to do, no matter what. Homosexuality is one of the biggest separators of liberalism and conservatism. Jesus didnt tell us to go on the offensive with the world and give our peace away. He told us to be examples of righteousness, and as far I as I see it, that DOES NOT include "gay bashing" or judging of any kind, at least outside the church. Inside the church is a little different on the judgment part...goodness, dont get me started on that one!"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #25 June 20, 2008 >You still believe that we influence ourselves. You dont see the connection >yet, there is an influence in the world, but it does not come from ourselves >individually. Of course. We are social animals; we get a lot of input from the rest of the world (parents, friends, the media, religion etc.) Who we are is a conglomeration of our essential selves (ids, if you like) and all the above. >We are tempted by what we want, but what we want is not always what >we desire, so if that is the case, and we dont want what we think we do, >what is influencing our temptation? A great many things. The simplest would be the guy who wants the Big Mac but doesn't want to die of heart disease. The rationales stretch from there to some very complex sets of desires. > I still think it has to do with people not wanting their children to grow up > in an enviornment in which homosexuality is acceptable. I think that's a big part of it. Parents fear their children will "go gay" and to a certain segment of the population, that's about the worst thing that could possibly happen to them. They feel that by "removing the influence" they won't "go astray." Ignoring the homophobic aspect of that, it works about as well as parents who don't tell their teens anything about sex so they won't do it. I'm not too worried about it, though. When Loving vs Virginia was finally overturned, there were a lot of people who thought the country would collapse when it became legal for blacks to marry whites. What if their beautiful young daughter married a Negro? What could be worse? 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feuergnom 29 #4 June 20, 2008 why do i always get a headache after reading just two of your sentences? *leaving sc once again shaking head*The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #5 June 20, 2008 which jesus do you mean? the one described in an old book or any other guy named jesus having his finger on the trigger?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #6 June 20, 2008 Hairyjuan and Rynodogsmusic in the same thread. Do I bring popcorn or put on a flak jacket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #7 June 20, 2008 Quote Hairyjuan and Rynodogsmusic in the same thread. Do I bring popcorn or put on a flak jacket? add a big ammount of painkillers cause the two of them are good for a double-dose of headache The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #8 June 20, 2008 Quotewhy do i always get a headache after reading just two of your sentences? *leaving sc once again shaking head* Don't know why but all the christian crap tends to do that to me too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #9 June 20, 2008 QuoteWhere fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. Jesus was an extreme liberal. Do you think Jesus would approve fascism?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #10 June 20, 2008 Another one of your typical posts that basically makes the following claim: >(This) is gonna happen! >>How do you know? >Because it says it in the Bible! >>How do you know the Bible is right? >Because Jesus says it is! >>How do you know that Jesus is right? >Because it says it in the Bible!... At least try backing up a single one of your claims with verifiable physical evidence and maybe people on this board would take you seriously. Thats not a PA, but is a comment based on the fact that you always say they same thing and act like everyone else just doesn't understand. Maybe that is a clue that your remarks are nonsensical to any rational person. Sign me up for another dose of that headache medicine, because the rest of your post is really not worth responding to. I'm already done posting here, and I think I will also get some popcorn and watch this one unfold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 June 20, 2008 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. Yes, I firmly believe that bla bla bla AND bla are bla. And in conclusion, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #12 June 20, 2008 To quote the Big Lebowski..."Nobody fucks with the jesus" “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #13 June 20, 2008 The thing is, when a single post has got so much stuff going on, it is more a sign of rambling incoherence (aka a poorly delivered sermon) than of making any kind of point. This one has Facism, Evil, extreme liberals, guilt, denial, addiction, intolerance, the Antichrist, and the Rapture. ALL IN ONE! My only complaint - - you forgot sexual promiscuity. Throw a little of that in when you mention sin and more people might read it." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #14 June 20, 2008 Jesus is going to bomb you for starting this post. Jesus just wants to be left alone man.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #15 June 20, 2008 I know why Jesus is mad- it must be all of the butt sex going onThere, now it has it all. And I stole that joke from the Daily Show, I would dig up the clip but I'm at work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #16 June 20, 2008 Quote To quote the Big Lebowski..."Nobody fucks with the jesus" To misquote Joe Pesci in Casino: "but what did they know? They were 2000 miles away years ago and I don't know any body who can see that fucking far" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #17 June 20, 2008 Quote the catholic church Works for me. No offense to devout Catholics, but I feel like the Catholic Church has twisted or invented their own perceptions on what Jesus Christ was really all about. Okay, excuse me while I duck out and the shitstorm ensues. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #18 June 20, 2008 >This is satans world (the spirit of the worship of self), the extreme >liberals will win, this is in the prophecy. Jesus was a pretty extreme liberal who won a significant victory over the conservative religious leaders of the time. "Love your neighbor as yourself," "turn the other cheek", "do unto others as you would have done to you" and "blessed be the peacemakers" were all pretty heretical teachings at the time, and nowadays would get him branded as a terrorist-appeasing, defeat-loving, touchy feely liberal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #19 June 20, 2008 Quote>This is satans world (the spirit of the worship of self), the extreme >liberals will win, this is in the prophecy. Jesus was a pretty extreme liberal who won a significant victory over the conservative religious leaders of the time. "Love your neighbor as yourself," "turn the other cheek", "do unto others as you would have done to you" and "blessed be the peacemakers" were all pretty heretical teachings at the time, and nowadays would get him branded as a terrorist-appeasing, defeat-loving, touchy feely liberal. Im not sure I get what your saying. Jesus was very much against anything that caused sin, that doesnt make him a liberal does it? Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. You dont want to believe that satan is in control of this world, yet thats what Jesus came for, to free us from the grasp of this world and its addictive sinful pleasures by allowing us to taste the goodness of God in a desire for righteousness. Have a look at who is at the top of the world. The top is ruled by man. Money and Power. In the Gospel, Jesus contrasted God and money, thats a pretty powerful contrast that has been around for quite some time. In any event, my point was that I have seen more extreme liberals be against me than me against them. It is merely an observation, as I was under the impression that liberals were supposed to advocate liberalism. How is it advocating liberalism when theyre against anything that isnt liberal? Again, my main point is that Jesus is not against the world, but sin, and everything that casues it. It is not to spark a rebellion, but to make us aware that we are slaves to sin so that we might desire to be set free. I can testify that when I lived in sin, although it was pleasureful, it has nothing on the pleasure of the spirit. It just feels good to be good."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #20 June 20, 2008 >Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Agreed. And nowdays, conservatives (the religious right) are generally the people who want a greater union of government and religion (prayer in schools, Ten Commandments on courthouse walls, funding of religious charities, legislation against immoral behavior etc.) >Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. Also agreed. Yet you seem to have put Satan on the "extreme liberal's" side. >You dont want to believe that satan is in control of this world . . . Satan is no more in control of this world than Jesus, or Allah, or Vishnu is. People are in control, and they are influenced by their beliefs in Satan, or Jesus, or Allah. That's why belief is important. >In any event, my point was that I have seen more extreme liberals >be against me than me against them. I suspect some would say the same of extreme Christians. I know a lot of religious types, for example, who work very hard to deny rights for gays. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #21 June 20, 2008 Im not sure I get what your saying. Jesus was very much against anything that caused sin or so say some drunken dudes that lived a few hundred years after jesus and threw together a book filled with bullshit that's now know as the bible, that doesnt make him a liberal does it? Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. Fixed it for ya' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #22 June 20, 2008 Quote Quote Where fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. Jesus was an extreme liberal. Do you think Jesus would approve fascism? First let me say hello, you always make me put on my thinking cap, and I am always checking myself with your posts....so.... No. Fascism goes on the offensive. Jesus went on the offensive but in the spiritual battle, not in the battle over world domination. Jesus didnt force anyone to do anything, he offered. Fascism doesnt offer, so no, Jesus wouldnt approve fascism. Im not a conservative or a liberal, I dont enjoy politics, I enjoy righteousness, and neither parties represent that in my eyes. Ask an extreme liberal if he is a sinner, ask Jesus if he is. Jesus is not an extreme liberal, but nor is he a conservative...he is not of this world and the things it desires, he is of the spirit and desires the purity and love of the hearts of man, sinners and all. A pure man is not a sin free man, he is a man without falseness. I dont think much of the church has grasped that, believe me, I talk to them as well, and I say that as humbly as I can. Think its bad getting bashed in here amongst some of you? Try being challenged by a pastor in the same faith. As I said before, self righteousness and hypocrisy come from inside the church, and these are people who quote scripture. But, this is just how I see this, and either its worthy of being in your conversations, or it isnt. I dont want to offend or fill myself with pride, and I dont see why people have such a hard time just reading something. While you and I disagree on just about everything, we at least enjoy the conversations some, or at least I do."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #23 June 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere fascism will come from is from the extreme liberals, who are intolerant of others while at the same time believing they are tolerant of everyone. Jesus was an extreme liberal. Do you think Jesus would approve fascism? … No. … Jesus is not an extreme liberal … I disagree. In today's political climate, someone whose beliefs and actions are aligned with the teachings of Christ would indeed be an extreme liberal, just as Christ was (according to the Gospels) in his time.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #24 June 20, 2008 Quote>Religion and Politics will always be a disturbing combination. Agreed. And nowdays, conservatives (the religious right) are generally the people who want a greater union of government and religion (prayer in schools, Ten Commandments on courthouse walls, funding of religious charities, legislation against immoral behavior etc.) "I do not agree that the church should take a political stance on anything, but the intolerance of extreme liberalism is provoking those who dont want to be flooded with sin, so I can see where the engagement in the political sector is coming from." >Jesus came to free us from its stinch, to take us out, not to choose a side. Also agreed. Yet you seem to have put Satan on the "extreme liberal's" side.Quote It appears I did. This may have been a mistake, and a bad one at that...Sincere apology to the "Liberals". Satan is on the side of anything that causes sin, which is separation from God. Anything that makes us love something over God. And satan is spirit as well, according to the bible an angel is a spirit. satans spirit is known to man and it is very appealing to us. It is literally the worship of our self as God. It appeals to all our lustful desires while hiding that hardening of the heart and depraving us of the greatest pleasure of being in commune with God and his goodness. >You dont want to believe that satan is in control of this world . . . Satan is no more in control of this world than Jesus, or Allah, or Vishnu is. People are in control, and they are influenced by their beliefs in Satan, or Jesus, or Allah. That's why belief is important. I think you are starting to put something together now. You still believe that we influence ourselves. You dont see the connection yet, there is an influence in the world, but it does not come from ourselves individually. We are tempted by what we want, but what we want is not always what we desire, so if that is the case, and we dont want what we think we do, what is influencing our temptation? Maybe a spirit of rebellion?Quote >In any event, my point was that I have seen more extreme liberals >be against me than me against them. I suspect some would say the same of extreme Christians. I know a lot of religious types, for example, who work very hard to deny rights for gays.Quote Yes your right. I am working hard to understand this myself. I still think it has to do with people not wanting their children to grow up in an enviornment in which homosexuality is acceptable. In any event, people are going to do what they are inspired to do, no matter what. Homosexuality is one of the biggest separators of liberalism and conservatism. Jesus didnt tell us to go on the offensive with the world and give our peace away. He told us to be examples of righteousness, and as far I as I see it, that DOES NOT include "gay bashing" or judging of any kind, at least outside the church. Inside the church is a little different on the judgment part...goodness, dont get me started on that one!"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #25 June 20, 2008 >You still believe that we influence ourselves. You dont see the connection >yet, there is an influence in the world, but it does not come from ourselves >individually. Of course. We are social animals; we get a lot of input from the rest of the world (parents, friends, the media, religion etc.) Who we are is a conglomeration of our essential selves (ids, if you like) and all the above. >We are tempted by what we want, but what we want is not always what >we desire, so if that is the case, and we dont want what we think we do, >what is influencing our temptation? A great many things. The simplest would be the guy who wants the Big Mac but doesn't want to die of heart disease. The rationales stretch from there to some very complex sets of desires. > I still think it has to do with people not wanting their children to grow up > in an enviornment in which homosexuality is acceptable. I think that's a big part of it. Parents fear their children will "go gay" and to a certain segment of the population, that's about the worst thing that could possibly happen to them. They feel that by "removing the influence" they won't "go astray." Ignoring the homophobic aspect of that, it works about as well as parents who don't tell their teens anything about sex so they won't do it. I'm not too worried about it, though. When Loving vs Virginia was finally overturned, there were a lot of people who thought the country would collapse when it became legal for blacks to marry whites. What if their beautiful young daughter married a Negro? What could be worse? But as time went on, and that happened, and the country didn't collapse - people accepted it. Nowadays we don't even think it's all that sinful. We'll get there with gay marriage as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 3,118 #25 June 20, 2008 >You still believe that we influence ourselves. You dont see the connection >yet, there is an influence in the world, but it does not come from ourselves >individually. Of course. We are social animals; we get a lot of input from the rest of the world (parents, friends, the media, religion etc.) Who we are is a conglomeration of our essential selves (ids, if you like) and all the above. >We are tempted by what we want, but what we want is not always what >we desire, so if that is the case, and we dont want what we think we do, >what is influencing our temptation? A great many things. The simplest would be the guy who wants the Big Mac but doesn't want to die of heart disease. The rationales stretch from there to some very complex sets of desires. > I still think it has to do with people not wanting their children to grow up > in an enviornment in which homosexuality is acceptable. I think that's a big part of it. Parents fear their children will "go gay" and to a certain segment of the population, that's about the worst thing that could possibly happen to them. They feel that by "removing the influence" they won't "go astray." Ignoring the homophobic aspect of that, it works about as well as parents who don't tell their teens anything about sex so they won't do it. I'm not too worried about it, though. When Loving vs Virginia was finally overturned, there were a lot of people who thought the country would collapse when it became legal for blacks to marry whites. What if their beautiful young daughter married a Negro? What could be worse? But as time went on, and that happened, and the country didn't collapse - people accepted it. Nowadays we don't even think it's all that sinful. We'll get there with gay marriage as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
