Drug testing on Vet

[akarunway 1]

Sad. Not only do they for vaccinations (unproven) on them now this. This is how they get paid back.>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/17/va-testing-drugs-on-war-veterans/,

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[iamsam 0]

we're ALL just canon fodder

but what do I know

[Gawain 0]

With regards to vets with PTSD, there are no easy answers at all. PTSD's effects are unique to each individual. I think the VA is doing the right thing, but clearly process improvements need to be made.

I believe the VA is in a unique position to continue to work with vets and help those that really need it, especially when it involves PTSD and TBI.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[akarunway 1]

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With regards to vets with PTSD, there are no easy answers at all. PTSD's effects are unique to each individual. I think the VA is doing the right thing, but clearly process improvements need to be made.

I believe the VA is in a unique position to continue to work with vets and help those that really need it, especially when it involves PTSD and TBI.

But to use them as test rats in a lab for 30 bucks a pop. Gimme a break bro. How about some SERIOUS counsuling and pay them what they really deserve. I know a lot of vets. Some do alot better than others. My dad was the COL. and a dick til his dieing day.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Gawain 0]

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With regards to vets with PTSD, there are no easy answers at all. PTSD's effects are unique to each individual. I think the VA is doing the right thing, but clearly process improvements need to be made.

I believe the VA is in a unique position to continue to work with vets and help those that really need it, especially when it involves PTSD and TBI.

But to use them as test rats in a lab for 30 bucks a pop. Gimme a break bro. How about some SERIOUS counsuling and pay them what they really deserve. I know a lot of vets. Some do alot better than others. My dad was the COL. and a dick til his dieing day.

Look, I'm not saying they did it right, I said I think they are doing right. A buddy of mine with PTSD, and currently awaiting his MEB is smoking between three and four packs of smokes per day. Sh*t, I know guys without PTSD that are that bad in the Army.

This article brought to light that one of the physical health factors that must be addressed with PTSD is tobacco use. Using a drug to assist with quitting smoking isn't necessarily a bad idea. Using such drugs with subjects that have psychological problems means strong oversight is necessity, and study is worth the resources.

These guys knew they were being experimented with, and I didn't read there was much of an issue with that. However, the biggest issue that came to light (in my observation) was how the VA should have responded more directly. Also, the Washington Times also reported that it is not conclusive that Chantix was the direct cause of the behavior being reported.

It's not like this guy's VA pension was tied in with this study. Most medical studies don't pay out wicked amounts of money to participants. I'm in a traumatic injury study with the Army and Johns Hopkins Univ. I received less than this guy did...

If he's got PTSD and already involved with VA, he's getting more than a Chantix study out of it. The article is narrow in scope though, so who knows.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[akarunway 1]

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With regards to vets with PTSD, there are no easy answers at all. PTSD's effects are unique to each individual. I think the VA is doing the right thing, but clearly process improvements need to be made.

I believe the VA is in a unique position to continue to work with vets and help those that really need it, especially when it involves PTSD and TBI.

But so use them as test rats in a lab for 30 bucks a pop. Gimme a break bro. How about some SERIOUS counsuling and pay them what they really deserve. I know a lot of vets. Some do alot better than others. My dad was the COL. and a dick til his dieing day.

Look, I'm not saying they did it right, I said I think they are doing right. A buddy of mine with PTSD, and currently awaiting his MEB is smoking between three and four packs of smokes per day. Sh*t, I know guys without PTSD that are that bad in the Army.

This article brought to light that one of the physical health factors that must be addressed with PTSD is tobacco use. Using a drug to assist with quitting smoking isn't necessarily a bad idea. Using such drugs with subjects that have psychological problems means strong oversight is necessity, and study is worth the resources.

These guys knew they were being experimented with, and I didn't read there was much of an issue with that. However, the biggest issue that came to light (in my observation) was how the VA should have responded more directly. Also, the Washington Times also reported that it is not conclusive that Chantix was the direct cause of the behavior being reported.

It's not like this guy's VA pension was tied in with this study. Most medical studies don't pay out wicked amounts of money to participants. I'm in a traumatic injury study with the Army and Johns Hopkins Univ. I received less than this guy did...

If he's got PTSD and already involved with VA, he's getting more than a Chantix study out of it. The article is narrow in scope though, so who knows.

Hell. I smoke 3 packs a day when working. They have nicorette gum and patches and all kinds of over the market stuff. Never worked for me. A striff drink after work and a few smokes and I'm good to go. I've never been in military combat but I've led a pretty rough life on the streets that comes close. Each person is different. I just feel they are being taken adavantage of. Com'n man.This shit has been going on since the 50's to this day. http://www.gulfwarvets.com/hallucinogen_lsd_military.htm Do you really trust your govt that much? I can pull up hundreds of horror stories.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Gawain 0]

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Do you really trust your govt that much? I can pull up hundreds of horror stories.

With my recent experiences, I can definitely say that I am not in some conspiratorial mode over the VA.

The VA has to deal with vets suffering from PTSD. It is their own acknowledged duty to address the thousands of vets with PTSD.

If the vet is already getting counseling, and is offered the chance to participate in a study and help them quit smoking, I don't see intent of harm here.

If the VA discovers that smoking cessation programs assist with long term treatment of PTSD, then who benefits from this? The vets.

Conversely, if the VA determines that smoking cessation programs do not provide a positive long term treatment path for PTSD, who benefits from this? The vets.

If the VA discovers that certain smoking cessation regimens pose a risk to long term treatment of PTSD, who benefits? The vets.

If the VA finds certain anti-depressants aid with the long term treatment of PTSD without regard for tobacco use, who benefits? The vets.

Soldiers, Sailers, Marines and Airmen, as well as veterans are probably more willing to participate in this type of stuff solely to do something to treat their condition.

Sh*t, when I was in Walter Reed, I told the doctors and prosthetists to use me for any breaking ideas and treatments that came along...anything to assist with my recovery and be a blueprint for my brothers.

If the opportunity presents itself again once I'm out of the Army and in the VA system, I'll do the same.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!