kelpdiver 2 #26 June 12, 2008 fair enough - the greater problem of oil use isn't solved by cutting use. But for the immediate point in time (next couple decades), we would resolve the crisis by cutting US gas usage in half. Given the fuel economy of cars more common to the UK, it's hardly a reach for us to accomplish this if we actually commit to doing so. Even ignoring mass transit or other approaches to reduce actual driving, just changing the cars themselves would accomplish that over the next ten years (elimination of current cars). The secondary effort is to find the replacement, and to remake the larger cities to be more efficient, rather than the current model of separating housing and work and industry. Even the original version of SimCity showed the problems with that approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #27 June 12, 2008 >#13) Make more dinosaurs and Paleozoic and Mesozoic marine plankton & algae. I think we need more algae NOW! It's an investment in our future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #28 June 12, 2008 Quote #13) Make more dinosaurs and Paleozoic and Mesozoic marine plankton & algae. Yea, but how much energy will it take to quickly smash them into the luscious, black, gooey goodness that we all crave? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 June 12, 2008 Quote #13) Make more dinosaurs and Paleozoic and Mesozoic marine plankton & algae. We can bury a bunch of Dodge Rams (with HEMI POWER!), but how do we accelerate the decay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #30 June 13, 2008 Quote >#13) Make more dinosaurs and Paleozoic and Mesozoic marine plankton & algae. I think we need more algae NOW! It's an investment in our future. hmmm. I'm thinking maybe Creationists (with their 6000 year old Earth) might have the right idea after all. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #31 June 20, 2008 > 1) Open up ANWR and The Gulf of Mexico for drilling. On this one: The Gulf is open for drilling. Thunder Horse is about to go on-line. The DOE just released a report showing that opening ANWR might reduce oil prices by a whole 75 cents once it gets into full production, representing a savings in gas prices of almost 3 cents! Hey, why design cars that can be driven for a few cents a mile when we can reduce gas prices from $4.59 to $4.56? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #32 June 20, 2008 QuoteThe U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) recently did a detailed study of the likely outcome of offshore drilling for their Annual Energy Outlook 2007, “Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).” The sobering conclusion: The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #33 June 20, 2008 Interesting. However, if that report was prepared for 2007, the data was probably gathered sometime in 2006. With today's high prices, oil companies and investors might be more inclined to put the project and production into the fast lane. The faster they get those proposed new wells in place, the sooner they make money off of them. Of course, it could also be argued that the longer the wait, the more the oil will be worth. But I really hope we are not still using oil as much in 2030 as we are today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #34 June 20, 2008 Quote Interesting. However, if that report was prepared for 2007, the data was probably gathered sometime in 2006. With today's high prices, oil companies and investors might be more inclined to put the project and production into the fast lane. The faster they get those proposed new wells in place, the sooner they make money off of them. Of course, it could also be argued that the longer the wait, the more the oil will be worth. But I really hope we are not still using oil as much in 2030 as we are today. Some good points. I concur stronly with Bill's sentiment that ANWR is unlikely to be a meaningful short term solution, nevermind waste of a potential mid-term strategic reserve for national security interests. (The Strategic Petroleum Reserve is for short-term emergencies.) As your last line alludes (or at least as I read it ), domestic offshore drilling is not going to be a longterm solution. As an energy policy proposal, it's somewhere between the panacea of gas tax holidays and Hubbert's fiddling. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #35 June 20, 2008 Quote it's somewhere between the panacea of gas tax holidays and Hubbert's fiddling. (or nerdy)> I'll look it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #36 June 20, 2008 how about this plan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPch2k63uj4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #37 June 20, 2008 Quotehow about this plan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPch2k63uj4 "Iraq owes us so we should take their oil at below market rates." That part ought to go over well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #38 June 20, 2008 QuoteQuotehow about this plan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPch2k63uj4 "Iraq owes us so we should take their oil at below market rates." That part ought to go over well. Yes, reparations worked so well after WWI.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #39 June 20, 2008 >"Iraq owes us so we should take their oil at below market rates." Translation: Someone should send someone else's kids to take that oil by force so I don't have to change anything I do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 June 21, 2008 Quote>"Iraq owes us so we should take their oil at below market rates." Translation: Someone should send someone else's kids to take that oil by force so I don't have to change anything I do. Nice "stealth" chickenhawk reference there, Bill... how about a list of all the Dems that forced their children to sign up for the military so they could go fight in Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia and other places, while you're at it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #41 June 21, 2008 >how about a list of all the Dems . . . MNealTX Tactic #1 - if someone else did something bad before my guys did, then it's fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 June 21, 2008 Quote>how about a list of all the Dems . . . MNealTX Tactic #1 - if someone else did something bad before my guys did, then it's fine. Don't have that information, hmmm? Nice jab - been taking lessons from the professor? Maybe next you can reverse his "But the REPS do it MORE" defense. Nice illustration of the double standards, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #43 June 21, 2008 I still say cat fur. Infinite supply. No Politics. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
