Andrewwhyte 1 #51 June 12, 2008 Quote In all seriousness a terrorist is someone who commits violence for political gain or influence. A uniformed serviceman fits that definition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #52 June 12, 2008 WTH Ever. You ASSume that because I am conservative in my beliefs that I am a Bush cronie. That is hardly the case. You need to get a grip yourself DUDE.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #53 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuote In all seriousness a terrorist is someone who commits violence for political gain or influence. A uniformed serviceman fits that definition. That is quite a stretch. It all depends on what side of a conflict you are on.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #54 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteThere have been some pretty good attempts in this thread to define a slippery term. When I think of the term "terrorism," what comes to mind is (1) the intentional targeting of civilians, (2) the lack of clear affiliation with a recognized national military force, and (3) the breaking of domestic or international law. Anyone want to take any bets on how many right wing terrorists will be in the news after the election???? Anyone want to take any bets on how many left wing terrorists will be in the news after the election???Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #55 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote In all seriousness a terrorist is someone who commits violence for political gain or influence. A uniformed serviceman fits that definition. That is quite a stretch. It all depends on what side of a conflict you are on. It is not a stretch at all. If a US soldier in Iraq is not committing violence for political gain or influence, why exactly is he committing the violence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 June 12, 2008 Quote A terrorist is someone who will use violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political gains.... You mean, like the Waikato War? Or perhaps lobbing a few cruise missiles at aspirin factories the day before certain congressional hearings?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #57 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuote In all seriousness a terrorist is someone who commits violence for political gain or influence. A uniformed serviceman fits that definition. Uniformed service members acting under the laws of war (LOW) (also called the laws of armed conflict (LOAC)) at the direction of the head of state (in some states may be the head of the military) and commanders are acting lawfully. For the US, see DoD Directive 2311.01E. Relevant excerpts: 1. REISSUANCE AND PURPOSE This Directive: 1.1. Reissues Reference (a) to update the policies and responsibilities ensuring DoD compliance with the law of war obligations of the United States. 3. DEFINITIONS 3.1. Law of War. That part of international law that regulates the conduct of armed hostilities. It is often called the “law of armed conflict.” The law of war encompasses all international law for the conduct of hostilities binding on the United States or its individual citizens, including treaties and international agreements to which the United States is a party, and applicable customary international law. 3.2. Reportable Incident. A possible, suspected, or alleged violation of the law of war, for which there is credible information, or conduct during military operations other than war that would constitute a violation of the law of war if it occurred during an armed conflict. 4. POLICY It is DoD policy that: 4.1. Members of the DoD Components comply with the law of war during all armed conflicts, however such conflicts are characterized, and in all other military operations. 4.2. The law of war obligations of the United States are observed and enforced by the DoD Components and DoD contractors assigned to or accompanying deployed Armed Forces. 4.4. All reportable incidents committed by or against U.S. personnel, enemy persons, or any other individual are reported promptly, investigated thoroughly, and, where appropriate, remedied by corrective action. That's why the "unlawful" part of the DoD (JCS) definition of terrorism/terrorists/terrorist groups is so important. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #58 June 12, 2008 QuoteOr perhaps lobbing a few cruise missiles at aspirin factories the day before certain congressional hearings? Mike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteOr perhaps lobbing a few cruise missiles at aspirin factories the day before certain congressional hearings? Mike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? VR/Marg "political gain or influence", perhaps?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #60 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteOr perhaps lobbing a few cruise missiles at aspirin factories the day before certain congressional hearings? Mike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? "political gain or influence", perhaps? Would you care to elaborate further? Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #61 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOr perhaps lobbing a few cruise missiles at aspirin factories the day before certain congressional hearings? Mike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? "political gain or influence", perhaps? Would you care to elaborate further? I think there was enough information provided in the reporting on it at the time, to be honest. Like so many have said here about Bush... "I suspect the timing".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #62 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOr perhaps lobbing a few cruise missiles at aspirin factories the day before certain congressional hearings? Mike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? "political gain or influence", perhaps? Would you care to elaborate further? I think there was enough information provided in the reporting on it at the time, to be honest. Like so many have said here about Bush... "I suspect the timing". How was it indication of "political gain or influence" or terrorism? Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #63 June 12, 2008 Quote That's why the "unlawful" part of the DoD (JCS) definition of terrorism/terrorists/terrorist groups is so important. Do you have that definition handy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #64 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuote That's why the "unlawful" part of the DoD (JCS) definition of terrorism/terrorists/terrorist groups is so important. Do you have that definition handy? Yes. Please see post #36 in this thread (page 2). /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #65 June 12, 2008 Isn't it obvious? What defines a terrorist is the way the fist jab or the scarves they own ... duh!"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #66 June 12, 2008 Quote Quote The US will never fall under the category of terrorists, . ....(holding side and trying to get back breath) God damn I love Americans Is English not your primary language? Any attempt at a valid definition of the term excludes uninformed soldiers. As I suggested, you can use the term imperial thugs...at least until China threatens the Aussie/NZ continent and you suddenly want to use the defense provided to you by the US-UK Empire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 June 12, 2008 Quote WTH Ever. You ASSume that because I am conservative in my beliefs that I am a Bush cronie. That is hardly the case. You need to get a grip yourself DUDE. Based on posting history and support of the policies this admninistration has foisted on the world.. I guess most of us here would ASSume you are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #68 June 12, 2008 Quote Quote WTH Ever. You ASSume that because I am conservative in my beliefs that I am a Bush cronie. That is hardly the case. You need to get a grip yourself DUDE. Based on posting history and support of the policies this admninistration has foisted on the world.. I guess most of us here would ASSume you are... Which is why we all know that you're a Democrat.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #69 June 12, 2008 Quote Any attempt at a valid definition of the term excludes uninformed soldiers. As I suggested, you can use the term imperial thugs...at least until China threatens the Aussie/NZ continent and you suddenly want to use the defense provided to you by the US-UK Empire. What about out of uniform soldiers? Could that ever happen? What would their status, potentially be?... For arguments sake? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
algboy 0 #70 June 12, 2008 Official FBI definition of terrorism: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." How's that for a sweeping definition? Don't even think about TPing the head cheerleader's house anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 June 12, 2008 QuoteMike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? Massive case of CDIF that rears itself everytime ANYTHING negative is EVER mentioned about his Boys in the White House.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #72 June 12, 2008 QuoteOfficial FBI definition of terrorism: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." I can certainly recall various labour leaders' comments that would fit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #73 June 12, 2008 Quote Official FBI definition of terrorism: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." Now define unlawful and set the context & frame of reference. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #74 June 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteMike, you keep mentioning the al-Shifa incident. Would you what you see as the relevence? Massive case of CDIF that rears itself everytime ANYTHING negative is EVER mentioned about his Boys in the White House.. As opposed to your nigh-terminal case of BDS, perhaps?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #75 June 12, 2008 I guess its all a matter of perception.. Clinton got a blow job....Bush butt fucked the world...I guess in your mind its all equal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
