billvon 3,114 #51 June 10, 2008 >Politically, I think Obama removing himself from Trinity Church *now* > was a bad move - it shows that he's willing to sacrifice anything for > political power. Of course. If he removes himself from the church, he has no principles; he never stands by the people who believe in him. If he stands by Wright (which he did initially) he's supporting a guy who hates America - and by extension, he himself hates America. Odd that you would find two opposite reactions equally distasteful! Almost as if you hate the man himself, rather than his actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #52 June 10, 2008 Quote>Politically, I think Obama removing himself from Trinity Church *now* > was a bad move - it shows that he's willing to sacrifice anything for > political power. Of course. If he removes himself from the church, he has no principles; he never stands by the people who believe in him. If he stands by Wright (which he did initially) he's supporting a guy who hates America - and by extension, he himself hates America. Odd that you would find two opposite reactions equally distasteful! Almost as if you hate the man himself, rather than his actions. Very nice, Bill. Care to comment on the REST of the paragraph where I spoke of disassociating himself from people he had known for decades, or does that not allow you to get your 'dig' in?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #53 June 10, 2008 >Care to comment on the REST of the paragraph where I spoke >of disassociating himself from people he had known for decades . . . OK. If he hadn't done this, you would be crucifying him for belonging to a church that hated America, and would be posting quotes from Wright every other thread to prove how evil he is for belonging to such a vile church. Your posting habits are very predictable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #54 June 10, 2008 Quote>Care to comment on the REST of the paragraph where I spoke >of disassociating himself from people he had known for decades . . . OK. If he hadn't done this, you would be crucifying him for belonging to a church that hated America, and would be posting quotes from Wright every other thread to prove how evil he is for belonging to such a vile church. Your posting habits are very predictable. Funny - the only mention I've made of Obama and Wright have been in this thread.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #55 June 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteKind of a big difference, no? Looking at it strictly as 'who said what', yes. Given how the Left is so quick to see collusion between Cheney and Halliburton due to past history (using one of several widely used arguments), I feel it is equally valid to bring up the point of past history with Obama and Wright (and Pfleger, for that matter). You need to be more specific than 'something some leftists said about Chaney' for me to respond to the significance. However, you're still arguing that tit for tat is a valid debate technique; it's not. No matter how you argue it, statements made by the candidate are always more attributable to the candidate than remarks made by someone else. On a different notion, I heard Chaney make a grossly inappropriate crack about how unlucky he was, slated to be unemployed in 8 months. Unlike millions of Americans in our pseudo recession, when he terms out he will have a cushy job in industry again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #56 June 10, 2008 QuotePolitically, I think Obama removing himself from Trinity Church *now* was a bad move - it shows that he's willing to sacrifice anything for political power. Interesting take. Life is an ever changing environment. Things change, we accumulate knowledge, evaluate and make new decisions based on what is happening around us. You should try it before you criticize the process.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #57 June 10, 2008 QuoteObama WILL NOT unite this country. Well, you just can't unite everyone. I understand why some would share your view. Certainly the narrow-minded, bigoted types who's opinions have received far too much attention in the last eight years or so will be alienated as they are driven back to their caves. The rest of us will stand a much better chance to unite in our efforts to repair the damage done to our great country and move forward.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #58 June 10, 2008 QuoteObama's website got caught with it's pants down Of course they pulled the page, but it is still cached in google. http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:URodhaDcfJgJ:my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/juancarloscruz/gG5BSr+http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/juancarloscruz/gG5BSr&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Now for the "nothing to see here" crowd to make excuses. I haven't read this full thread,but when you make a donation to the Obama website you are given a space to make your own blog. I'm pretty certain that some whack job that donated $10 represents Obama's message thou_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #59 June 10, 2008 Quote McCain didn't refer to Hagee as his "spiritual mentor". No, that was Rev. Parsley and it was "spiritual guide and moral compass". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #60 June 10, 2008 Quote>or maybe worstester. Isn't that a city in Massachusetts? No, that's "Woosta". Pronounced the same as my three year old describing a male chicken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #61 June 10, 2008 Quote Given how the Left is so quick to see collusion between Cheney and Halliburton due to past history (using one of several widely used arguments), Halliburton was busted defrauding the taxpayer under Cheney's leadership. They also solicited business with Iran (via a fax machine in the Caymans) until Iran pulled the deal due to security concerns. I believe that Cheney still has deferred compensation ties with the company and they certainly have done quite well at procuring and maintaining lucrative contracts related to Cheney's war. All of the above has a direct impact on the American taxpayer. I don't see Rev Wright's relationship with Obama in quite the same light. Unless you want to talk about tax exempt status then you might have an "in". Or maybe if Obama starts the "war on WASPs" then I'll concede. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 June 10, 2008 QuoteQuotePolitically, I think Obama removing himself from Trinity Church *now* was a bad move - it shows that he's willing to sacrifice anything for political power. Interesting take. Life is an ever changing environment. Things change, we accumulate knowledge, evaluate and make new decisions based on what is happening around us. You should try it before you criticize the process. Perhaps you should, too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 June 10, 2008 QuoteQuote McCain didn't refer to Hagee as his "spiritual mentor". No, that was Rev. Parsley and it was "spiritual guide and moral compass". Since we're concentrating on "who said what" the quote was "A spiritual guide and a moral compass". Please notice no possessive pronoun. [sarcasm] I was unaware that McCain had been attending Parsley's (or Hagee's) church for 20 years, or that Parsley (or Hagee) had been close associates of his for the last 20 years. [/sarcasm] From a 2004 Sun-Times interview of Obama: QuoteStill, Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago QuoteThese days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant. QuoteFriends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says. QuoteAnother person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study. I think Obama did the right thing by denouncing the sermons. I don't think (as I said above) that removing himself from the chuch entirely was a good move FROM A POLITICAL standpoint. Obviously, he was going to take a figurative beating from it whichever way he went. He should have left it at repudiating the sermons and taken his lumps.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
