NWFlyer 2 #1 June 6, 2008 News: QuoteAvoiding sunlight entirely could be hazardous to your health For years the message about the sun was simple — avoid it. Slather on sunscreen. Wear a hat and long-sleeved shirts. Seek cover under trees. The sun was your foe, wrinkling your skin, or worse, causing skin cancer. The sun, we said, could kill you. The new message emerging? Maybe we went a little too far. As in SPF 70 too far. While no one is suggesting we return to the days of rubbing Crisco on our bodies, many doctors now insist we need more of the sunshine vitamin — vitamin D. Some even suggest we get some rays naked (without sunscreen), although not for very long. Source: Kansas City Star "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #2 June 6, 2008 Or you could drink vitamin D milk. Personally I prefer the sun as milk is bad for the heart.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #3 June 6, 2008 QuoteOr you could drink vitamin D milk. Personally I prefer the sun as milk is bad for the heart. Not that I thought this would turn into an actual debate (I was just having some fun), but... that's not necessarily so. Go read "Rethinking Thin" and "Good Calories Bad Calories" and "In Defense of Food" and I'm willing to bet you may have a very different perspective on milk. Much of the "truth" about nutrition that's come out in the last 50 years ... isn't."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #4 June 6, 2008 To be honest I'm not going to read those books so why not just give me a quick summary on what you don't agree with in my post. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #5 June 6, 2008 I already did that. I don't agree that milk is bad for the heart. Unless maybe you cut your chest open and poured it directly on your heart. Then it might be bad. Or maybe if you replaced your blood with milk. Then it might be bad for your heart."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 June 6, 2008 I'm offended! As the descendant of an albino American, the sun provides a unique danger to me, and others similarly situated. I believe that those of us with albinism in our family histories should be condiered before such repugnance is posted. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 June 6, 2008 QuoteWhile no one is suggesting we return to the days of rubbing Crisco on our bodies . . . BTW, that's not a joke. When I was a small child that's EXACTLY what my family used whenever we went to the beach, which was at least once a week. A lobster red sunburn was considered a "good thing" and "the only way you'll ever really get a tan." Of course, I never got the tan. All I got were blisters and sheets of skin peeling off me. Now, many years later, I've paid the price for that bullshit on more than one occasion. The average person will get MORE THAN enough sun exposure to produce the proper amount of vitamin D even if you apply sun block every day. If you work at night, sleep during daylight and never go out into the sun, yes, the article may have a point, but it's bullshit for 99% of the rest of the people on the planet and only serves to confuse people about the subject.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #8 June 6, 2008 Oh I thought that's what you were getting at but didn't want to assume. You see...I'm a man so you have to spell it out for me. It also doesn't help that I was a Marine either. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #9 June 6, 2008 Well, in Southern California and many other areas, that's probably true ... but up here in Seattle my doctor has had me on prescription-strength Vitamin D supplements all winter just to get me up to the normal range at my most recent test last week; even with dairy consumption and OTC vitamin supplements and day-to-day exposure, it's tough at this latitude over the winter months. But we certainly don't have to go in the other direction, either. My fair skin can't take the abuse of tanning. I take after my father, who grew up on a farm and had lots and lots of sun exposure as a child and is paying for it now with vigilant and careful treatment of pre-cancerous growths. Fortunately, my exposure was mostly recreational and not nearly as much as his, but I know i need to be vigilant, too. Damn you people for turning this into an actual discussion when all I was trying to do was have a little fun."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #10 June 6, 2008 Quote I'm offended! As the descendant of an albino American, the sun provides a unique danger to me, and others similarly situated. I believe that those of us with albinism in our family histories should be condiered before such repugnance is posted. Is this another one of those Angry White Man posts? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #11 June 6, 2008 Oh yeah and speaking of Marines...while I was in I actually failed the physical to become aircrew thanks to the EKG noticing my heart was canted. They sent me to a civilian heart specialist to do a sonogram and it turned out to be nothing. My heart was just stronger than most which caused the cant. Anyhow he told me that milk is bad for the heart and not to drink too much of it. This was the first and only time I'd ever heard that because my entire life it had been drummed into me and my generation that milk does a body good. Fortunately I don't really drink milk so it doesn't matter to me either way. Just thought you should know that it wasn't some '50s or '60s nutrition book that I got that from. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 June 6, 2008 Quote . . . because my entire life it had been drummed into me and my generation that milk does a body good. I've come to the conclusion that all advice of that type is paid for by vested interests. Even the old, official "food pyramid" issued by the government was just bullshit due to lobbyists. Hell, maybe even the current one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 June 6, 2008 QuoteMuch of the "truth" about nutrition that's come out in the last 50 years ... isn't. in a world where Atkin is a best seller, you clearly have problems with the buyer side of the market. And the seller side is certainly not much better. This article might be relevant to the couch potatoes whose only outdoor activity is walking from the car to the house/store/office. Anyone doing outside activity is hard pressed to avoid getting enough sun, particularly in summer when you think about sunscreen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #14 June 6, 2008 as someone who suffers from moderately severe seborrheic dermatitis (that's dandruff, only i have it on my face as well), often times going out in the sun is the only way to get my skin looking somewhat presentable again. bring on the crisco, baby! Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 June 6, 2008 QuoteIs this another one of those Angry White Man posts? No. I'm an angry pink man. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #16 June 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs this another one of those Angry White Man posts? No. I'm an angry pink man. Albinos are pink?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #17 June 6, 2008 Quote as someone who suffers from moderately severe seborrheic dermatitis (that's dandruff, only i have it on my face as well), often times going out in the sun is the only way to get my skin looking somewhat presentable again. bring on the crisco, baby! I have that too! Only the doc called atopic dermatitis. A crappy condition but it could be worse I guess. How do you deal with it?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 June 6, 2008 As I said, I'm not an albino (my grandmother was). But my skin is not white. Or brown. It's pink (one of the neat things about lack of pigmentation - the blood vessels aren't hidden under pigment anymore. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 June 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIs this another one of those Angry White Man posts? No. I'm an angry pink man. Albinos are pink? They are after they get sunburnt!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 June 6, 2008 QuoteAttachments: sunburn.JPG (94.4 KB) Where did you get that beautiful blue towel for just $3.99? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 June 6, 2008 Quote Quote Attachments: sunburn.JPG (94.4 KB) Where did you get that beautiful blue towel for just $3.99? Probably Walmart - you'd have to ask Nina!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #22 June 8, 2008 Quote Damn you people Ah, a religion discussion, now, too. Excellent. Soon, your chromosomes will realign. It's inevitable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #23 June 8, 2008 Everything in moderation. Hiding out in a dark room all day is just as bad as baking your body to a crispy brown several hours every day during the summer. My friend's wife was a chronic tanner and I think she spent our entire trip in Mexico on the sun deck. She just had several pieces of skin cancer removed at the age of 32._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
