Squeak 17 #1 June 5, 2008 Is the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 June 5, 2008 We've been ready for a black president for some time. Frankly, I'm more than ready to have the president simply be a president, instead of black, female, jewish, etc. Such characterizations only serve to divide - which is what too many people on boths sides of the aisle want. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #3 June 5, 2008 QuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. So is the condescension. It's alright if I say that, isn't it? I mean, I know I'm just a "seppo"....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #5 June 5, 2008 The South is NOT ready for a black president, imho.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #6 June 5, 2008 Quote Quote So is the condescension. It's alright if I say that, isn't it? I mean, I know I'm just a "seppo".... who pissed in your cornflakes todayThere is no condescension here, i am stating what i see as an outsider traveling through the USofA. Im major cites where there is a larger population of nationalities, bigotry is less obvious. when i have travelled through the smaller towns particulary in the lower states, I found it to be much more overt. That's why i posted this thread, I'm interested in seeing if people think that the USofA as a whole is socially ready for a person of colour to be their leader. Read into it what ever you want, be as nasty as you chose it's not a problem for me, you just make youeslef look pettyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #7 June 5, 2008 QuoteThe South is NOT ready for a black president, imho. I wouldn't mind seeing how a black president does, but you're right, you go out in the rural white areas down in the south, you probably would be hard-pressed to find one white person who would vote for Obama. However, the big cities tend to have a higher % of blacks than whites, so we may see mixed results."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #8 June 5, 2008 Quote Quote We've been ready for a black president for some time. When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. Cool...and there's no tensions with the aborigini down there?Racism is a two way street.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #9 June 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote We've been ready for a black president for some time. When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. Cool...and there's no tensions with the aborigini down there?Racism is a two way street. WTF has that got to do with the up comming presidential elections? Dude that's not even worthy of "Red Herring" statusYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 June 5, 2008 I grew up in the deep south. I would vote for Colin Powell in a heart beat. I will not vote for Obama. He is the most racist candidate out there. Look at his mentors. He's nothing but bad news waiting to happen. What he is going to change and how? He doesn't know...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 June 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote So is the condescension. It's alright if I say that, isn't it? I mean, I know I'm just a "seppo".... who pissed in your cornflakes todayThere is no condescension here, i am stating what i see as an outsider traveling through the USofA. Im major cites where there is a larger population of nationalities, bigotry is less obvious. when i have travelled through the smaller towns particulary in the lower states, I found it to be much more overt. That's why i posted this thread, I'm interested in seeing if people think that the USofA as a whole is socially ready for a person of colour to be their leader. Read into it what ever you want, be as nasty as you chose it's not a problem for me, you just make youeslef look petty No, there *IS* condescension - mostly from people outside the US that view anyone from south of DC, west of Florida and east of Arizona to be Cro-Magnon knuckledraggers. Quite comical coming from people who coined such terms as "seppos", "abos", "pikeys", etc. Is there bigotry in the south? Yup, there is. There's bigotry in the north, east and west, too....from all colors and all walks of life. That 'redneck bigot' is most likely the guy you passed on the shoulder of the highway, changing a tire for an old black (*gasp*) lady in a pouring rain. That 'redneck bigot' is most likely the one that's stepped ahead to hold the door open for that young mother trying to herd 3 small kids into the grocery store. That 'redneck bigot' is most like the one that just handed you 50 cents with a "y'all have a good day, now" while you're digging change out of your pocket standing in front of a coke machine.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 June 5, 2008 Very true. They are also the ones most likely to be serving our country, and doing a damn fine job of it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #13 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote So isThat 'redneck bigot' is most likely the guy you passed on the shoulder of the highway, changing a tire for an old black (*gasp*) lady in a pouring rain. That 'redneck bigot' is most likely the one that's stepped ahead to hold the door open for that young mother trying to herd 3 small kids into the grocery store. That 'redneck bigot' is most like the one that just handed you 50 cents with a "y'all have a good day, now" while you're digging change out of your pocket standing in front of a coke machine. No to me the redneck bigot is the guy that advocates "I'm proud of my town because we have no Blacks living here" I at no stage said that bigotry was not in the cities, i said it is less obvious. All of which BTW does nothing to adress the original post. do YOU think that the USofA ready for a Black President.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #14 June 5, 2008 Quote No to me the redneck bigot is the guy that advocates "I'm proud of my town because we have no Blacks living here" I at no stage said that bigotry was not in the cities, i said it is less obvious. Then perhaps you should have said that, instead of "particularly in the lower states". QuoteAll of which BTW does nothing to adress the original post. do YOU think that the USofA ready for a Black President. I don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #15 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteI don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice. You're missing my point Mike. I'm not ask who YOU would vote for. I'm asking do you think that your Nation is ready for a Black President.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #16 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice. You're missing my point Mike. I'm not ask who YOU would vote for. I'm asking do you think that your Nation is ready for a Black President. I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #17 June 5, 2008 QuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle broke, when foreclosures were at an all time high, the dollar is at an all-time low, and gasoline is at an all time high. Regardless of the actual responsibility the voters are going to blame the Republicans for these things. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. It's no surprise that places like Colorado which were solidly for Bush 43 before we knew what he could do (2000) and barely for him after (2004) are already in Obama's camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #18 June 5, 2008 My personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon. I posted this because from what i have seen in my travels there, i find it difficult to see Obama as the POTUS, based soley on his skin colour. I dont know enough about either McCains or Obama political stance to know how either will fare. But i suspect that even if Obamas political agenda was over whelmingly popular that he would have a difficult time being elected, based purely on the colour of his skin.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. He's also not a Clinto And Congress' disapproval rating is even higher - does that mean they'll be 'most despised', too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 June 5, 2008 Quote Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. The thing that kills me here is - it's more the fault of the democrats in congress than the executive branch. Look at what the democrats are doing now! It's going to get a lot worse if one gets to head the executive branch.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #22 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #23 June 5, 2008 QuoteMy personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. And the Republicans don't either. If they did we wouldn't have witnessed the largest percentage increases in discretionary non-defense spending in history; far more than we got with "Tax and Spend" Democrats like Carter and Clinton who were both outspent by Bush 43. Especially with the accompanying tax cuts. Quote Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better. I'm just trying for "not worse." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks.you make a poor arguemnt for a lawer. I, of course have an opinion, I am interestred in finding out what the general opinion of the Dotcommer population is. So rhetorical no. of any real useful purpose also no.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #25 June 5, 2008 That's the problem. You asked about the USofA as a whole. And then went on about a certain portion of the population you encountered. It's not poor judgment. You asked a question. I answered. And then you went into other questions that were not an example of non-defensive communications. Some folks will never be happy with a black POTUS. They are on the fringe, and could not carry Hillary Clinton to a nomination - no matter how hard she sought them out in her campaign. (there's a reason why Clinton's was the most racist ever - never before had a person of color been such a threat. Only when he was really doign well did the fulll race card onslaught come out). I'll put it this way - had Colin Powell run for POTUS at ANY time from 1991-2000 he would have won. Not because of his race, but because he was Colin Powell. Think so-called "racist" Republicans wouldn't stand behind Condi Rice? As much as people try to frame it as about "race" it is about ideas. THose who frame it as about "race" are showing some true colors. And it is a disservice. If Obama loses, it'll be because his message did not connect. If he wins it'll be because it did. My wife is hotter than your wife. 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mnealtx 0 #14 June 5, 2008 Quote No to me the redneck bigot is the guy that advocates "I'm proud of my town because we have no Blacks living here" I at no stage said that bigotry was not in the cities, i said it is less obvious. Then perhaps you should have said that, instead of "particularly in the lower states". QuoteAll of which BTW does nothing to adress the original post. do YOU think that the USofA ready for a Black President. I don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #15 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteI don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice. You're missing my point Mike. I'm not ask who YOU would vote for. I'm asking do you think that your Nation is ready for a Black President.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #16 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice. You're missing my point Mike. I'm not ask who YOU would vote for. I'm asking do you think that your Nation is ready for a Black President. I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #17 June 5, 2008 QuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle broke, when foreclosures were at an all time high, the dollar is at an all-time low, and gasoline is at an all time high. Regardless of the actual responsibility the voters are going to blame the Republicans for these things. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. It's no surprise that places like Colorado which were solidly for Bush 43 before we knew what he could do (2000) and barely for him after (2004) are already in Obama's camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #18 June 5, 2008 My personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon. I posted this because from what i have seen in my travels there, i find it difficult to see Obama as the POTUS, based soley on his skin colour. I dont know enough about either McCains or Obama political stance to know how either will fare. But i suspect that even if Obamas political agenda was over whelmingly popular that he would have a difficult time being elected, based purely on the colour of his skin.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. He's also not a Clinto And Congress' disapproval rating is even higher - does that mean they'll be 'most despised', too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 June 5, 2008 Quote Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. The thing that kills me here is - it's more the fault of the democrats in congress than the executive branch. Look at what the democrats are doing now! It's going to get a lot worse if one gets to head the executive branch.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #22 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #23 June 5, 2008 QuoteMy personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. And the Republicans don't either. If they did we wouldn't have witnessed the largest percentage increases in discretionary non-defense spending in history; far more than we got with "Tax and Spend" Democrats like Carter and Clinton who were both outspent by Bush 43. Especially with the accompanying tax cuts. Quote Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better. I'm just trying for "not worse." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks.you make a poor arguemnt for a lawer. I, of course have an opinion, I am interestred in finding out what the general opinion of the Dotcommer population is. So rhetorical no. of any real useful purpose also no.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #25 June 5, 2008 That's the problem. You asked about the USofA as a whole. And then went on about a certain portion of the population you encountered. It's not poor judgment. You asked a question. I answered. And then you went into other questions that were not an example of non-defensive communications. Some folks will never be happy with a black POTUS. They are on the fringe, and could not carry Hillary Clinton to a nomination - no matter how hard she sought them out in her campaign. (there's a reason why Clinton's was the most racist ever - never before had a person of color been such a threat. Only when he was really doign well did the fulll race card onslaught come out). I'll put it this way - had Colin Powell run for POTUS at ANY time from 1991-2000 he would have won. Not because of his race, but because he was Colin Powell. Think so-called "racist" Republicans wouldn't stand behind Condi Rice? As much as people try to frame it as about "race" it is about ideas. THose who frame it as about "race" are showing some true colors. And it is a disservice. If Obama loses, it'll be because his message did not connect. If he wins it'll be because it did. My wife is hotter than your wife. 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mnealtx 0 #16 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't vote on color or gender, sorry - you'll have to ask a bigot. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I don't agree with their views. If forced (i.e., Ron Paul doesn't run indy), I'll hold my nose and vote McCain....but not by choice. You're missing my point Mike. I'm not ask who YOU would vote for. I'm asking do you think that your Nation is ready for a Black President. I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #17 June 5, 2008 QuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle broke, when foreclosures were at an all time high, the dollar is at an all-time low, and gasoline is at an all time high. Regardless of the actual responsibility the voters are going to blame the Republicans for these things. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. It's no surprise that places like Colorado which were solidly for Bush 43 before we knew what he could do (2000) and barely for him after (2004) are already in Obama's camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #18 June 5, 2008 My personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon. I posted this because from what i have seen in my travels there, i find it difficult to see Obama as the POTUS, based soley on his skin colour. I dont know enough about either McCains or Obama political stance to know how either will fare. But i suspect that even if Obamas political agenda was over whelmingly popular that he would have a difficult time being elected, based purely on the colour of his skin.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. He's also not a Clinto And Congress' disapproval rating is even higher - does that mean they'll be 'most despised', too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 June 5, 2008 Quote Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. The thing that kills me here is - it's more the fault of the democrats in congress than the executive branch. Look at what the democrats are doing now! It's going to get a lot worse if one gets to head the executive branch.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #22 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #23 June 5, 2008 QuoteMy personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. And the Republicans don't either. If they did we wouldn't have witnessed the largest percentage increases in discretionary non-defense spending in history; far more than we got with "Tax and Spend" Democrats like Carter and Clinton who were both outspent by Bush 43. Especially with the accompanying tax cuts. Quote Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better. I'm just trying for "not worse." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks.you make a poor arguemnt for a lawer. I, of course have an opinion, I am interestred in finding out what the general opinion of the Dotcommer population is. So rhetorical no. of any real useful purpose also no.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #25 June 5, 2008 That's the problem. You asked about the USofA as a whole. And then went on about a certain portion of the population you encountered. It's not poor judgment. You asked a question. I answered. And then you went into other questions that were not an example of non-defensive communications. Some folks will never be happy with a black POTUS. They are on the fringe, and could not carry Hillary Clinton to a nomination - no matter how hard she sought them out in her campaign. (there's a reason why Clinton's was the most racist ever - never before had a person of color been such a threat. Only when he was really doign well did the fulll race card onslaught come out). I'll put it this way - had Colin Powell run for POTUS at ANY time from 1991-2000 he would have won. Not because of his race, but because he was Colin Powell. Think so-called "racist" Republicans wouldn't stand behind Condi Rice? As much as people try to frame it as about "race" it is about ideas. THose who frame it as about "race" are showing some true colors. And it is a disservice. If Obama loses, it'll be because his message did not connect. If he wins it'll be because it did. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
DrewEckhardt 0 #17 June 5, 2008 QuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle broke, when foreclosures were at an all time high, the dollar is at an all-time low, and gasoline is at an all time high. Regardless of the actual responsibility the voters are going to blame the Republicans for these things. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. It's no surprise that places like Colorado which were solidly for Bush 43 before we knew what he could do (2000) and barely for him after (2004) are already in Obama's camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #18 June 5, 2008 My personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #19 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I'm not missing your point at all. If the most important characteristic you can come up with is the color of his skin, you're going to have to ask someone else because that criteria doesn't even cross my event horizon. I posted this because from what i have seen in my travels there, i find it difficult to see Obama as the POTUS, based soley on his skin colour. I dont know enough about either McCains or Obama political stance to know how either will fare. But i suspect that even if Obamas political agenda was over whelmingly popular that he would have a difficult time being elected, based purely on the colour of his skin.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. He's also not a Clinto And Congress' disapproval rating is even higher - does that mean they'll be 'most despised', too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #21 June 5, 2008 Quote Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. The thing that kills me here is - it's more the fault of the democrats in congress than the executive branch. Look at what the democrats are doing now! It's going to get a lot worse if one gets to head the executive branch.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #22 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #23 June 5, 2008 QuoteMy personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. And the Republicans don't either. If they did we wouldn't have witnessed the largest percentage increases in discretionary non-defense spending in history; far more than we got with "Tax and Spend" Democrats like Carter and Clinton who were both outspent by Bush 43. Especially with the accompanying tax cuts. Quote Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better. I'm just trying for "not worse." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks.you make a poor arguemnt for a lawer. I, of course have an opinion, I am interestred in finding out what the general opinion of the Dotcommer population is. So rhetorical no. of any real useful purpose also no.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #25 June 5, 2008 That's the problem. You asked about the USofA as a whole. And then went on about a certain portion of the population you encountered. It's not poor judgment. You asked a question. I answered. And then you went into other questions that were not an example of non-defensive communications. Some folks will never be happy with a black POTUS. They are on the fringe, and could not carry Hillary Clinton to a nomination - no matter how hard she sought them out in her campaign. (there's a reason why Clinton's was the most racist ever - never before had a person of color been such a threat. Only when he was really doign well did the fulll race card onslaught come out). I'll put it this way - had Colin Powell run for POTUS at ANY time from 1991-2000 he would have won. Not because of his race, but because he was Colin Powell. Think so-called "racist" Republicans wouldn't stand behind Condi Rice? As much as people try to frame it as about "race" it is about ideas. THose who frame it as about "race" are showing some true colors. And it is a disservice. If Obama loses, it'll be because his message did not connect. If he wins it'll be because it did. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
mnealtx 0 #20 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs the colour of Obama going to be his down fall. I can see this going one of 3 ways, Lots of coloured people will be encouraged to vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Lots of lazy arsed rednecks bigots will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Both al ot more redneck bigots and coloured people will vote (perhaps mistakenly on racial lines) Bush 43 is pretty much the most despised US president in history, with an abysmal 69% disapproval rating largely due to his Mid-Eastern debacle. McCain is at least perceived as being more willing to continue there. Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. Obama's greatest strengths in the election are that 1) He's not McCain 2) He's not a Clinton and 3) He's not a Republican. Color has nothing to do with it. He's also not a Clinto And Congress' disapproval rating is even higher - does that mean they'll be 'most despised', too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #21 June 5, 2008 Quote Bush 43 was president when mortgage debacle brokem, with record forclosures. Him and his republicans are going to get blamed for it. The thing that kills me here is - it's more the fault of the democrats in congress than the executive branch. Look at what the democrats are doing now! It's going to get a lot worse if one gets to head the executive branch.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #22 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #23 June 5, 2008 QuoteMy personal take on this election is - it isn't race or gender. It's very much policies. The democrats, IMO, don't understand economics, nor do they expect personal responsibility. And the Republicans don't either. If they did we wouldn't have witnessed the largest percentage increases in discretionary non-defense spending in history; far more than we got with "Tax and Spend" Democrats like Carter and Clinton who were both outspent by Bush 43. Especially with the accompanying tax cuts. Quote Likewise, the world as it is now will take a huge shit on either of the democratic candidates. Bush has made a mess of things, but that doesn't mean democrats will make it better. I'm just trying for "not worse." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #24 June 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe've been ready for a black president for some time. .When you say "WE" are you refering to the big city WASP type "W"E or the urban/rural less than cosmopolitain type "WE", i ask because although I have enjoyed my 3 times in the States and will again in December. Traveling through the inland Lower states is kinda scary, the bigotry is out and proud. When I say "we" I mean the USofA, that was the subject. It also appears that you yourself have already formed an opinion, thus making this poll a rhetorical exercise. Thanks.you make a poor arguemnt for a lawer. I, of course have an opinion, I am interestred in finding out what the general opinion of the Dotcommer population is. So rhetorical no. of any real useful purpose also no.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #25 June 5, 2008 That's the problem. You asked about the USofA as a whole. And then went on about a certain portion of the population you encountered. It's not poor judgment. You asked a question. I answered. And then you went into other questions that were not an example of non-defensive communications. Some folks will never be happy with a black POTUS. They are on the fringe, and could not carry Hillary Clinton to a nomination - no matter how hard she sought them out in her campaign. (there's a reason why Clinton's was the most racist ever - never before had a person of color been such a threat. Only when he was really doign well did the fulll race card onslaught come out). I'll put it this way - had Colin Powell run for POTUS at ANY time from 1991-2000 he would have won. Not because of his race, but because he was Colin Powell. Think so-called "racist" Republicans wouldn't stand behind Condi Rice? As much as people try to frame it as about "race" it is about ideas. THose who frame it as about "race" are showing some true colors. And it is a disservice. If Obama loses, it'll be because his message did not connect. If he wins it'll be because it did. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
