SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN !

[StreetScooby 5]

Comments?
I think I like this guy :)


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> SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN !
> You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio
of�Arizona, who painted the jail cells pink and
made the inmates wear pink prison garb.
Well........SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

> Oh, there's MUCH more to now about Sheriff Joe!
> Maricopa�County�was spending
approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals,
like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the
department over, and he said okay.
>
> The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated
by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every
animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily.
He now has prisoners who are experts in animal
nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for
anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally
taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care
of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

>
> The best part? His budget for the entire department
is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a
Weimaraner from Maricopa shelter two years ago. He
was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health,
and even had a microchip inserted the day we got
him. Cost us $78.
> The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour
for working, but most would work for free, just to be
out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for
utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the
prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

>
> I have long wondered when the rest of the country
would take a look at the way he runs the jail system,
and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm,
donated to the county years ago, where inmates can
work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables
and food, doing all the work and harvest ing by hand.
He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides
meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree
nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living
Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant
it later. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.

>
> Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the
vote.�

> Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted
all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a
special hotline phone number painted on it, where you
can call and report suspected illegal aliens.
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing
enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained
specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up
his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling
folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R-Dun'
kind of Sheriff.

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> TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO

> HE IS THE MARICOPA SHERIFF

> AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
> THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
>
> Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona) who created the 'Tent
City Jail'
> He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
>
> He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies.
>
> He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
>
> Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't Get�Sued For Discrimination.
>
> He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A
Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails
So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The
Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.

>
> When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So
They Will Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are
Working�ON My Chain Gangs.
>
> He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.
>
> When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This
Isn't The Ritz/Carlton.....If You Don't Like It, Don't
Come Back.'
>
> He bought Newt Gingrich's lecture series on videotape
that he pipes into the jails.

>
> When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture
series by a Democrat, he replied t hat a democratic
lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates
were in his jails in the first place.

>
> More On The Arizona Sheriff:

>
> With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In
Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the
Associated Press Reports:�
> About 2,000 Inmates Living In A
Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The
Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To
Strip Down To Their Government-Issued �Pink
Boxer Shorts.

>
> On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers
were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in
the tents, which reached�138 Degrees Inside
The Week Before.

>
> Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As
Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To
Their PINK SOCKS.

>
> 'It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,' Said James
Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In the TENTS for 1
year. 'It's Inhumane.'

>
> Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the
tent city and long ago started making his prisoners
wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit
sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the
inmates: 'It's 120 Degrees
In�Iraq�And Our Soldiers Are Living
In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear
,�

> But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes, So Shut Your
Mouths!'
>
> Way To Go, Sheriff!
>
> Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be
a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals
should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury
until it's time for their parole, only to go out and
commit another crime so they can get back in to live
on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't
afford to have for themselves.

>
> If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete it.
>
> Sheriff Joe was just reelected Sheriff in�Maricopa County,�Arizona
>
> All I can say is... GO JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!�
>

We are all engines of karma

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link please because having to scroll horizontaly really sucks.

www.FourWheelerHB.com

[ryoder 1,590]

And he has also done a lot of stupid crap. It is amazing he is still in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversy_and_criticism

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[StreetScooby 5]

Sorry, don't have a link. Had to cut and paste it myself from a friend's email.

We are all engines of karma

[StreetScooby 5]

Interesting wikipedia article. Sounds like he's enthusiastic about the job. Personally, I think it beats having a democrat as sheriff. I'm surrounded by democrats that want to let Level 3 sex offenders wander my town, _and_ I'm not allowed to shoot them if needed. Drives me nuts.

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And he has also done a lot of stupid crap. It is amazing he is still in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversy_and_criticism

While I'm sure that he's got his faults...any asshat can go to that column and edit stuff like that.

I like wikipedia, but it's definitely not an end-all-be-all source.

www.nndb.com has a little summary on him as does snopes.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[ryoder 1,590]

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And he has also done a lot of stupid crap. It is amazing he is still in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversy_and_criticism

While I'm sure that he's got his faults...any asshat can go to that column and edit stuff like that.

I like wikipedia, but it's definitely not an end-all-be-all source.

www.nndb.com has a little summary on him as does snopes.

You can look up the incidents in the Wikipedia article, if you don't believe them. And the NNDB link you cited has this:

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Executive summary: Loony sheriff of Maricopa Co., AZ

10+ years ago he sounded like a good guy. Everytime I read about him over the last 8 years, he sounds like a megalomaniac who considers himself above the law.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Are there any stats on recidivism in Maricopa county?

No mention of ALPHA or the GED program he runs, either. Single sentences for the various helpful programs he does, paragraphs for anything painting him in a bad light - perhaps a bit of axe-grinding for the wiki authors?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[StreetScooby 5]

Bill Maher doesn't like him? I doubt he liked Bill Maher...

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[jcd11235 0]

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Are there any stats on recidivism in Maricopa county?

Corrections researchers at the Arizona State University: Arpaio spent over $10,000 to have Arizona State University study recidivism in his jail system. The 1998 ASU study tracked 4,800 released Maricopa County inmates and showed no evidence that harsh treatment reduced recidivism. Arpaio discounted this study as false and continues to claim that his jail program has reduced crime in the valley.
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Has the crime rate reduced as a result of all this activity? Not at all. As of December 2006, Phoenix is strapped with a crime rate that, according to FBI statistics, now tops that of New York, Los Angeles or Baltimore.
Source
Original study available here.
Book cited in Wikipedia article

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Are there any stats on recidivism in Maricopa county?

No mention of ALPHA or the GED program he runs, either. Single sentences for the various helpful programs he does, paragraphs for anything painting him in a bad light - perhaps a bit of axe-grinding for the wiki authors?

Thats right Mike... the ends always justifies the means.

Remster

[mnealtx 0]

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Are there any stats on recidivism in Maricopa county?

No mention of ALPHA or the GED program he runs, either. Single sentences for the various helpful programs he does, paragraphs for anything painting him in a bad light - perhaps a bit of axe-grinding for the wiki authors?

Thats right Mike... the ends always justifies the means.

Don't put words in my mouth, Remi - I'm not making that statement, only pointing out that the wiki article seems biased towards showing the sheriff in a bad light.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

Edit: So there's no proof it made things better or worse in regards to recidivism, at least in basic crime.

It *does* appear that at least a few of the programs are making a difference in SOME crime:

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An ALPHA II program is being modeled after the original ALPHA program currently provided to sentenced inmates by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. ALPHA is nationally recognized as one of the most effective in-custody substance-use treatment programs. ALPHA II will treat inmates with mental illness, serving about 240 more people per year.

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Of the offenders who completed the residential program in FFY 05, 90 percent have remained drug-free. Of the offenders who completed the aftercare program in FFY 05, 92 percent remained drug-free and 94 percent remained arrest-free.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[jcd11235 0]

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An ALPHA II program is being modeled after the original ALPHA program currently provided to sentenced inmates by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. ALPHA is nationally recognized as one of the most effective in-custody substance-use treatment programs. ALPHA II will treat inmates with mental illness, serving about 240 more people per year.

That doesn't address recidivism.

From the link: Meth hospital admissions in Maricopa County increased 855 percent from 1990 to 2004. Yes, 855 percent. Note that Arpaio took office in 1993.

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Of the offenders who completed the residential program in FFY 05, 90 percent have remained drug-free. Of the offenders who completed the aftercare program in FFY 05, 92 percent remained drug-free and 94 percent remained arrest-free.

Again, this source does not address recidivism w/r/t before and during Arpaio's tenure. The methodology is also unclear. The recidivism for drug use needs to be measured and compared from the latter of date of release from incarceration or date of final drug screening.

It does indicate that treatment reduces drug use more than no treatment, which is a no shit point. Generally, I think that's something that most people already knew.

Let's assume, for argument's sake, that the overall recidivism for drug offenders has been reduced, that would only indicate that recidivism has increased for other offenses, since the total recidivism hasn't decreased.

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That doesn't address recidivism.

I don't recall stating that either program was responsible for reducing recidivism, only that they seemed to be having a positive affect on SOME CRIME.

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From the link: Meth hospital admissions in Maricopa County increased 855 percent from 1990 to 2004. Yes, 855 percent. Note that Arpaio took office in 1993.

But, since we're back on the subject, what does the quote above have to do with recidivism?

How many of those people admitted were previously alpha program subjects or subsequently enrolled in alpha? How many had prior arrests for meth related crimes?

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Let's assume, for argument's sake, that the overall recidivism for drug offenders has been reduced, that would only indicate that recidivism has increased for other offenses, since the total recidivism hasn't decreased.

I believe your quote from the study was "no significant change" - so what WOULD be considered 'significant change", then? For that matter, what WAS the change? Positive trend, negative? By what amount?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I don't recall stating that either program was responsible for reducing recidivism, only that they seemed to be having a positive affect on SOME CRIME.

Considering your post was a reply to my post in which I answered your question, "Are there any stats on recidivism in Maricopa county?" it seemed fair to assume we were still talking about recidivism.

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I believe your quote from the study was "no significant change" - so what WOULD be considered 'significant change", then? For that matter, what WAS the change? Positive trend, negative? By what amount?

I didn't quote the study. I quoted an article that cited the study in its claim that recidivism has not decreased under Arpaio's tenure. I linked to the study; if you want to read it to find out the details and methodology, feel free to purchase a copy.

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I don't recall stating that either program was responsible for reducing recidivism, only that they seemed to be having a positive affect on SOME CRIME.

Considering your post was a reply to my post in which I answered your question, "Are there any stats on recidivism in Maricopa county?" it seemed fair to assume we were still talking about recidivism.

Agreed - my apologies for being unclear

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I believe your quote from the study was "no significant change" - so what WOULD be considered 'significant change", then? For that matter, what WAS the change? Positive trend, negative? By what amount?

I didn't quote the study. I quoted an article that cited the study in its claim that recidivism has not decreased under Arpaio's tenure. I linked to the study; if you want to read it to find out the details and methodology, feel free to purchase a copy.

Yeah, I saw the 'buy a copy of the report' link, too. I'm not THAT interested in it to buy it, however. It would have been nice if the article had provided some numbers, but oh well.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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And he has also done a lot of stupid crap. It is amazing he is still in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversy_and_criticism

While I'm sure that he's got his faults...any asshat can go to that column and edit stuff like that.

I like wikipedia, but it's definitely not an end-all-be-all source.

www.nndb.com has a little summary on him as does snopes.

You can look up the incidents in the Wikipedia article, if you don't believe them. And the NNDB link you cited has this:

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Executive summary: Loony sheriff of Maricopa Co., AZ

10+ years ago he sounded like a good guy. Everytime I read about him over the last 8 years, he sounds like a megalomaniac who considers himself above the law.

Borrowing from another thread, he's a Neanderthal understands that his actions are satisfying to the more basic animal instincts of the other Neanderthals living in the region.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

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Borrowing from another thread, he's a Neanderthal understands that his actions are satisfying to the more basic animal instincts of the other Neanderthals living in the region.

So, because he's got prisoners working, sweating, not getting cable, smokes, porn, and gyms he's a Neanderthal? Or is it for some other reason.

Who cares if his jails have no measured impact on recidivism?? As long as it isn't significantly higher, he's getting prisoners to do work that needs to be done, and housing them for a hell of a lot cheaper than any other prison.

Man, our prisoners live better than many millions all over the world and we STILL complain about the poor dearies' having pink undies and living in tents...

Oh, hello again!