Flyers to be treated like freight.

[akarunway 1]

I love it since I only weigh a buck 35. As long as I can bring my flask w/ some good 100 proof Kentucky bourbon for a minimal fee. I may start flying again. I wonder if the DZ's will follow suit. >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aJmRIapedEs0&refer=home

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[mnealtx 0]

Dude - they don't call it "cattle-car class" for NOTHING, ya know!!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[nathaniel 0]

About fricken time.

I'm tired of paying for fat people twice over -- first in fare vs fuel cost and second when they spill over the armrest into my seat.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[kelpdiver 2]

won't happen. The second order consequences AA will see with its no free luggage will pale to the problems that would be caused by trying to weigh all customers.

[akarunway 1]

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won't happen. The second order consequences AA will see with its no free luggage will pale to the problems that would be caused by trying to weigh all customers.

Yeah. Like my cousin. Took a chopper back from Catalina Island awhile back to Long Beach. She refused to get on a scale. Had to take her in the back room to weigh her in private. She's a TAD overweight. Pissed me off. The heavy person gets to ride shotgun.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[diablopilot 2]

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I wonder if the DZ's will follow suit.

They lead the way. Over 200lbs? Most places charge more for tandems.

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[BillyVance 35]

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I wonder if the DZ's will follow suit.

They lead the way. Over 200lbs? Most places charge more for tandems.

I'd imagine the Anvil Brothers would not be too happy...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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won't happen. The second order consequences AA will see with its no free luggage will pale to the problems that would be caused by trying to weigh all customers.

They don't have to weigh every customer, just offer a stock "one size fits all" rate that's more expensive and a per-pound discount people can voluntarily accept by actually getting weighed.

To limit counter costs, they can put scales with computer interfaces in front of each self-service checkin; perhaps of the bare-foot fat checking variety to detect tamperring.

Or they can rely on customer's honesty, provide a few cheap scales, conduct random spot checks, and have a contractual penalty for people who lied. If people don't want to pay up 5X the weight surcharge when caught, they can just stay home and skip their vacation or business trip.

Even if they were to actually weigh every one, the effort would be far less than that expended to insure people can't hijack planes by threatening to curl the crews' eyelashes or do in-flight shampoos inappropriate for peoples' hair types.

[BIGUN 1,488]

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They lead the way. Over 200lbs? Most places charge more for tandems.
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I'd imagine the Anvil Brothers would not be too happy...

IMHO...It's always been a dumbshit program to add X number of dollars to those over 200 lbs. If you want to maximize profits on a tandem, calculate the total max weight the tandem can hold and charge everyone the same price... then the majority of the population (not the Anvil Brothers) that makes the single tandem has a lower effect on Cost of Sales; your Gross Profit & Net Income increase overall.

Same thing for the airlines. Remove everything. Calculate max weight per seat with one bag not to exceed 50 lbs period - charge everyone same rate.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[Skyrad 0]

I thought this was athread about Tandem 'students'

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[diablopilot 2]

The industry doesn't support pricing as you suggest. Get the whole of the industry to do it that way and you've got a plan, but as long as DZ's compete then what is in place works pretty well.

Heavies are much harder on the gear and on the instructor. They also have a higher risk of injury.

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[billvon 3,120]

>It's always been a dumbshit program to add X number of dollars to those
>over 200 lbs.

It's more a practical than an economic consideration.

[DJL 235]

Not gonna happen.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[BIGUN 1,488]

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Get the whole of the industry to do it that way and you've got a plan, but as long as DZ's compete then what is in place works pretty well.

I understand what you're saying... But some _one_ someplace started with the $1.00 per lb over program and then everyone else thought it a good idea and now most do it.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[kelpdiver 2]

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won't happen. The second order consequences AA will see with its no free luggage will pale to the problems that would be caused by trying to weigh all customers.

They don't have to weigh every customer, just offer a stock "one size fits all" rate that's more expensive and a per-pound discount people can voluntarily accept by actually getting weighed.

To limit counter costs, they can put scales with computer interfaces in front of each self-service checkin; perhaps of the bare-foot fat checking variety to detect tamperring.

Or they can rely on customer's honesty, provide a few cheap scales, conduct random spot checks, and have a contractual penalty for people who lied. If people don't want to pay up 5X the weight surcharge when caught, they can just stay home and skip their vacation or business trip.

You're only looking that the efforts necessary to weigh every person. That's only a small portion of the trouble this policy would cause.

1- fat discrimination suits. Would win, but a nuisance.

2- people doing silly things like starvation,dehydration, laxatives, showing up in bikinis. Some of these will cause more passengers in distress during flight.

3- allegations of inaccurate scales.

4- and of course the blowback when you tell a woman she weighs XXX lbs.

[downwardspiral 0]

Yep...when I worked in skydiving once upon a time it was always difficult having to tell the overweight lady she couldn't jump because of her weight.

I think it would be a "huge" mistake if airlines instituted this policy. All they're going to do is raise prices for heavier people. Not lower prices for lighter people. Otherwise the policy wouldn't make a dent on the bottom line. What a dumbass idea.

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[BIGUN 1,488]

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It's more a practical than an economic consideration.

I understand your comment, Bill. The proposition would satisfy both.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[billvon 3,120]

>The proposition would satisfy both.

How does it compensate instructors for taking a bigger risk with their health?

[BIGUN 1,488]

It allows for greater pay per tandem and compensates them appropriately across the board.
720 tandems per annum @ $45.00 each; assume 80 @ an extra 20lbs - $20.00 - $1600/year
or 800 tandems per annum @ $55.00 each is an $8,000.00/annum.
A $6,400 risk compensation package increase.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[billvon 3,120]

How does it compensate the tandem master who has to take the 230 lb guy, as opposed to the five who take the 130-160 lb passengers? Or is it just an "everyone gets a bit more money so everyone will share" sort of thing?

[BIGUN 1,488]

Well, hopefully the DZO could have a meeting to deploy the new pricing to communicate what the DZ is going to do for the TI's and why with the expectation; the TI's - as professionals; share the Anvil Loads.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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Well, hopefully the DZO could have a meeting to deploy the new pricing to communicate what the DZ is going to do for the TI's and why with the expectation; the TI's - as professionals; share the Anvil Loads.

Except the anvil TI maxes out the gear with a lighter student than the skinny guy, so he has to take the big guy.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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4- and of course the blowback when you tell a woman she weighs XXX lbs.

You don't have to. You have one scale for passenger and all bags. The fat one can lie to herself about how heavy her bags must be.

[downwardspiral 0]

Its been my experience the extra charge for tandem students weighing over 200 pounds goes to the TI as compensation for the added risk and responsibility. I don't see how this compares to airlines charging by weight since there is no additiona risk, only additional cost.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Its been my experience the extra charge for tandem students weighing over 200 pounds goes to the TI as compensation for the added risk and responsibility. I don't see how this compares to airlines charging by weight since there is no additiona risk, only additional cost.

There is additional cost for the heavier tandem, but not remotely close to the dollars involved.

The extra risk is a bit fuzzy - seems like the FF risk could be lower than with a featherweight who freaks out on the exit. On landing, the extra mass has the potential to wrench the back or the legs, but seems like their fitness/agility as just as significant.