jenfly00 0 #26 June 4, 2008 Quote Quote Unions are rapidly pricing themselves out of business. I work my ass off to build power plants (UNION) for your electricity and make 36 bucks an hr. I consider that a liveable wage. Not many people can or will do it. And I sure as fuck ain't gettting rich. Am I being paid to much? I showed my mom your post and here is her reply. For comparison, there are many thousands of Critical Care nurses who studied for years to obtain a license then took additional classes for certification and never stop taking additional continuing education courses in order to stay current and renew their licenses. They work shifts 24/7 (in designated biological and chemical hazzard environments) including holidays. Balancing medications and treatments on the fly they give their all, physically and emotionally, trying to keep the tiny spark of life glowing in the critically ill/injured. In South Florida at least, they average about $8-10/hr less than you.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #27 June 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Good way to put the screws to those unions. (I know, completely off the point) Yeah. And have your vehicles built w/ cheap labor in Mexico. I bought a 1999 NEW Dodge Ram. Started falling apart at 5000 miles. Found a "ASSEMBLED IN MEXICO" sticker on the driver door jam. The farmers (big corps.) are also moving to mexico for cheap labor amongst other things. production>DOWN 40%. Imagine that. I love NAFTA. I don't like NAFTA either, but I don't like the way the unions control the auto plants. I don't have specifics, but times are changing, especially down here in Alabama. We now have Mercedes, Honda and Hyundai building union-free vehicles, and all these workers are making an honest living, at least $24/hour and up. There's a Toyota V8 engine plant here also and VW is looking into building a big auto plant in north Alabama, or Tennessee. I bet if they pick Alabama, it'll be union-free as well. Look at it this way, unions sometimes protect their bad or unproductive employees, and the products suffer as a result in varying ways. You slack off down here or something, you face the consequences. Honda's doing great and is building another addition to their plant. Nothing against you personally, if the union works for you in your job, great. I have a Toyota Tundra with 145K miles, and a Mazda Protege with 197K miles and both still run great, and a Pontiac Vibe with 45K miles that's adequate (assembled in CA), but we really need a minivan. If I could find a good deal on a Honda Oddyssey, I'd be set for the next 10 years. Management is paid big bucks to run the company. Unions are there to look out for their members. If you don't like the way a company is run, MANAGEMENT is the only place to lay the blame.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymiles 3 #28 June 4, 2008 If only there was a way to know that gas prices would go up, then GM management could have planned for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #29 June 4, 2008 Quote If only there was a way to know that gas prices would go up, then GM management could have planned for it. Anyone with more than half a brain knew that gas prices would go up. Which excludes anyone who bought a fashion-statement SUV.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #30 June 4, 2008 Quote Management is paid big bucks to run the company. Unions are there to look out for their members. If you don't like the way a company is run, MANAGEMENT is the only place to lay the blame. I will not put 100% blame on management. The unions fight management over personnel issues. Say the management wants to fire an unproductive employee, the union says no, for example. Unions also fight for equal pay opportunities for all union members. I believe in paying an employee what they're worth based on their performance. Unions will cover your ass if you suck at the job. Don't get me started on the teacher tenure thing. That's just as bad. We have so many bad teachers in the schools here that we can't get rid of that it's ridiculous. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #31 June 4, 2008 QuoteQuote Management is paid big bucks to run the company. Unions are there to look out for their members. If you don't like the way a company is run, MANAGEMENT is the only place to lay the blame. I will not put 100% blame on management. The unions fight management over personnel issues. Say the management wants to fire an unproductive employee, the union says no, for example. Unions also fight for equal pay opportunities for all union members. I believe in paying an employee what they're worth based on their performance. Unions will cover your ass if you suck at the job. Try again: MANAGEMENT is paid the big bucks to run the company. If management can't deal effectively with the workers, then the company needs a new management.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #32 June 4, 2008 QuoteIf management can't deal effectively with the workers, then the company needs a new management. Unfortunately, there are many times when management cannot deal effectively with employees because of the labor unions are exempt from the Sherman AntiTrust Act. Add to that issues of dealign with NLRB, etc., and you'll see that for quite some time the odds have been stacked against employers in many regards. In this case, it appears that the management dealt quite effectively with these employees. They laid them off. Often times, management is faced with deceisions about how to keep a company going. It often does so by sending the operations overseas. When it is cheaper to build a new plant overseas, get the materials shipped overseas, manufacture overseas, ship to the US and then market it, then obviously there is something going on with the labor market. So some SUV plants get closed. That's business. The managers make their decision. As an aside, unions tends to be most beneficial for the unions themselves. Then the established workers. Those workers who are new tend to be the ones that the unions will allow to be cut loose. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
