Gun folks: please help!

[Nightingale 0]

Orange County, CA is in a position where the board of supervisors will appoint our next sheriff. Our interim Sheriff, Jack Anderson, has been doing a phenomenal job fixing some of the problems in the department and he is the only candidate who supports continuing to arm responsible citizens who go through extensive training and background checks.

The board of supervisors is closely watching the below poll to get a feeling of how people feel about the candidates, so please, if you have a moment, go vote for Interim Sheriff Jack Anderson. His appointment as Sheriff will personally affect my life and the lives of many of my friends and family.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/department-sheriff-county-2053701-jails-plan

[Darius11 12]

done

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[quade 4]

Hmmm, I can't say I really appreciate trying to get out of county and out of state people to respond to that poll. It's manipulation and dishonest.

I actually have a lot of respect for you for other things, but not this.

It's a local issue (one of my own as well I might add) and it ought to stay that way.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Nightingale 0]

I appreciate your input, and I did think about that before I posted. However, the politics and policies of one area can impact other areas of the state and country. Our counties are not islands, and the way things are done here in Orange County can help change the way things are done in the surrounding areas, so I don't feel this is a strictly local issue.

[jcd11235 0]

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Our counties are not islands, and the way things are done here in Orange County can help change the way things are done in the surrounding areas, so I don't feel this is a strictly local issue.

I agree. The greater Orlando area encompasses more than just Orange county (although I am within Orange county by at least fifty feet). I cast my vote (for Hunt). Thanks for bringing the poll to the attention of all of us who live in Orange county.

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[Nightingale 0]

Why do you like Hunt?

[quade 4]

Uh, this is Orange County, CALIFORNIA we're talking about here.

I know it's big, but I don't think it encompasses Orlando.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[jcd11235 0]

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Why do you like Hunt?

I don't really have an opinion. I voted for him because he was runner-up in the election won by the indicted sheriff.

I agree with Quade, though. It's a local issue and should be treated as such. Those who don't live in Orange county shouldn't be voting.

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[jcd11235 0]

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Uh, this is Orange County, CALIFORNIA we're talking about here.

I know it's big, but I don't think it encompasses Orlando.

It's a little late to start being specific, now!

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[Gawain 0]

As a former resident of San Clemente and Santa Ana...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[TheAnvil 0]

I'm living just south of you now, so I voted for the fellow.

Cheers,

Vinny

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Skyrad 0]

Done (Wouldn't want to see you all having to resort to hammers and knifes likeus Brits!)

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[piper17 1]

Done. I have to travel to Orange County, CA on a regular basis to visit customers; the more legally-armed citizens, the better.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[JohnRich 4]

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Hmmm, I can't say I really appreciate trying to get out of county and out of state people to respond to that poll. It's manipulation and dishonest.

Would you have the same objection if an anti-gun organization was campaigning in that county to influence gun-control issues?

When the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens get infringed, that's EVERYBODY's business. There is no "local" exception.

Let's follow your logic, and presume that some town wanted to override the 4th Amendment, and allow unwarranted, no probable cause, searches of homes, for the sake of crime-fighting. Would that then be okay with you? It shouldn't.

Constitutional rights are for everybody. They are not subject to override by local jurisdictions.

Are you listening, Obama?

[quade 4]

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When the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens get infringed, that's EVERYBODY's business. There is no "local" exception.

There are no Constitutional rights being infringed here. It's an election for the Sheriff's office. Elections should not be tampered with by outsiders.

It's just as silly as you whining and moaning about gun laws in England when your not even a citizen of that country. So, let me turn it around to you John, how would you like it if some citizen of a foreign country continued to try to tell you how best to run the USA?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[henryvillar 0]

I too believe that a local election of a local representative should remain local.
In addition, I would not vote for somebody purely for their stance on 1 issue. Other factors have to be carefully evaluated.

just my $.02

The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.

[piper17 1]

Can you say "United Nations"?

They are working to disarm this country or have you not been keeping up with their acitivities along these lines. The NRA had to fight a big battle to even get a place at the UN conferences on banning weapons.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[mnealtx 0]

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I too believe that a local election of a local representative should remain local.
In addition, I would not vote for somebody purely for their stance on 1 issue. Other factors have to be carefully evaluated.

just my $.02

Really? What if the candidate advocated outlawing abortion? What if they advocated Jim Crow laws? Would either of THOSE issues cause you to reconsider voting for them?

If you say 'yes', then you're being hypocritical - EVERYONE has their wedge issues that make or break their decision to vote.

Mike
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Can you say "United Nations"?

They are working to disarm this country or have you not been keeping up with their acitivities along these lines. The NRA had to fight a big battle to even get a place at the UN conferences on banning weapons.

You guessed it, the UN in their black helicopters are coming for your guns. Can you say "paranoid"?

[JackC 0]

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Hmmm, I can't say I really appreciate trying to get out of county and out of state people to respond to that poll. It's manipulation and dishonest.

Would you have the same objection if an anti-gun organization was campaigning in that county to influence gun-control issues?

When the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens get infringed, that's EVERYBODY's business. There is no "local" exception.

Let's follow your logic, and presume that some town wanted to override the 4th Amendment, and allow unwarranted, no probable cause, searches of homes, for the sake of crime-fighting. Would that then be okay with you? It shouldn't.

Constitutional rights are for everybody. They are not subject to override by local jurisdictions.

Are you listening, Obama?

I've never been to Orange County, I'm not even American but I could still vote as many times as I could find IP addresses. Is that OK with you?

[Nightingale 0]

The new sheriff will not be elected by the people. He will be appointed by the board of supervisors, who have indicated their willingness to take into account opinions from all over, and they are considering several out of state candidates.

[Nightingale 0]

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I too believe that a local election of a local representative should remain local.
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This is not an election.

[piper17 1]

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/5455

U.N. Readies for Draft on Small Arms Control Treaty
Wed, 2007-04-25 04:59
By Thalif Deen - Inter Press Service

United Nations, 25 April (IPS):- Against the backdrop of a new national poll calling for stricter gun control in the wake of the mass killings of 32 people on a U.S. university campus last week, the United Nations is getting ready to formulate a new international treaty regulating the proliferation of small arms worldwide.

"There is not yet a draft," said Jennifer Abrahamson of Oxfam International, one of the lead organizations campaigning for the treaty, along with the London-based Amnesty International and International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA).

"What's happening now is that governments are due to turn in their blueprints of what they believe a draft should look like," she added.

The hard deadline is the end of April, but submissions by the 192 U.N. member states will be accepted through Jun. 20.

"This is the first real action that will lead to a treaty," Abrahamson told IPS.

According to last week's poll, conducted by the New York Times and the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) television network, most Americans favored stricter control of handguns in the wake of the killings of 32 people in a shooting rampage at Virginia Tech campus.

But there was no widespread support for a total ban on handguns, the weapons used in the Virginia Tech shootings in the town of Blacksburg, Virginia.

The proposed treaty, which was supported by 153 of the 192 member states in a resolution adopted by the U.N. General Assembly last December, does not envisage a total ban either.

But the treaty is expected to call for a regulation of the production and sale of small arms, including handguns.

A U.N. expert panel has identified small arms to include assault rifles, pistols, sub-machine guns, light machine guns, mortars, portable anti-aircraft guns, grenade launchers, anti-tank missile and rocket systems, hand grenades and anti-personnel landmines.

At a U.N. press conference Monday, former U.N. high commissioner for human rights Mary Robinson stressed that the handguns that had played a devastating role in the tragic deaths in Virginia Tech had been purchased legally.

Asked about the countries, including the United States, which had expressed reservations on the resolution calling for a treaty, Robinson said that "policy issues were internal to the United States."

But she hoped that the sense of personal loss felt by Americans and others, as well as the response from the Virginia Tech community, could bring home the terrible cost being paid in many countries around the world.

"The campaign should try to engage the United States and those countries that had abstained in the vote so that they could recognize the need to control arms -- just as nuclear weapons had been regulated -- with varying degrees of success," said Robinson, a former president of Ireland.

Asked who the skeptics of the treaty are, Abrahamson said that besides the United States, these include China, Russia and several Arab states.

But she pointed out that several other major international treaties "have gone through without the United States and other skeptics." A good example is the treaty banning landmines.

With respect to how confident Oxfam is about the success of such a treaty, Abrahamson said: "What is important now is that governments do their part (particularly the 153 nations that agreed to the treaty in December 2006) by submitting their plans -- plans which are rooted in international humanitarian and human rights law."

She said the treaty business is very time-consuming. "We are hoping that a treaty will be completed by 2010 which, historically, is quite quick."

"We hope that the process is completed within the United Nations," the activist added.

If this is derailed for some reason, she said, the movement will continue outside the United Nations, as did the landmine treaty. But for now, barring the detractors, there is strong consensus to continue forward with a treaty, she emphasized.

Helen Mirren, an Oscar-winning actress and an arms control activist, said Monday that "From Kenya to Brazil to Sri Lanka, there are more weapons than ever before, and they are easier and cheaper to obtain."

She noted that in December 2006, 80 per cent of the world's governments voted to start work on developing the international Arms Trade Treaty. "All governments now have a responsibility to make an effective Arms Trade Treaty a reality," she added.

Joseph Dube, a spokesperson for the IANSA arms control coalition, said there is a very real risk that skeptical governments, such as the U.S. administration, could seek to water down the treaty, rendering it too weak to save lives.

But "The over a million people around the world who support this treaty will not allow that to happen," he warned.

Ambassador Emyr Jones Parry of the UK, who is also the current president of the U.N. Security Council, told reporters that in Africa, only HIV/AIDS was a bigger killer than small arms.

While much of the industry behaved responsibly, he pointed out, illegal trafficking is a major problem and has to be curbed.

"The scale of the problem requires a U.N. multilateral response," he said.

Progress on elaborating the proposed treaty had been encouraging, he said, but he added that he was under no illusion that the next two or three years would be tough going, as "governments conveniently hid behind the negotiations and refused to fully disclose their positions."

- Inter Press Service (IPS) News Agency -


Yep. I'm paranoid.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[kelpdiver 2]

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Hmmm, I can't say I really appreciate trying to get out of county and out of state people to respond to that poll. It's manipulation and dishonest.

It's a fair response in a situation where you know the opposition will be doing it. Really what it says is that online polling for actual government decisions is stupid policy.

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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I appreciate your input, and I did think about that before I posted. However, the politics and policies of one area can impact other areas of the state and country. Our counties are not islands, and the way things are done here in Orange County can help change the way things are done in the surrounding areas, so I don't feel this is a strictly local issue.

You are really stretching it thin with this post! I think you can reach a little deeper in your dirty trick bag.

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others mean and rueful of the western dream"