BIGUN 1,490 #1 June 1, 2008 "Democratic Party officials yesterday restored Florida and Michigan's disputed delegates but gave them only a half-vote each..." But the ruling was to give Mrs. Clinton 69 and Mr. Obama 59 delegates, each with a half vote. http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/01/delegates-get-split-decision/ "Democrats warned Republicans not to misread yesterday's raucous rules panel meeting over Florida and Michigan delegations, pointing to the number of people willing "to give up their weekend" to attend the panel and what that boded for fall." [Its gonna be a looooooong summer]Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #2 June 1, 2008 What's new? Politicians can break their own rules and get away with it - always have, always will.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 June 1, 2008 WTF are Hillary Clinton's supporters whining about? They're lucky that Michigan's votes were counted at all since Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 June 1, 2008 Quote WTF are Hillary Clinton's supporters whining about? They're lucky that Michigan's votes were counted at all since Obama's name wasn't even took his name off the ballot! Fixed it for ya. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #5 June 1, 2008 Why'd he do that anyway?-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #6 June 1, 2008 QuoteWhy'd he do that anyway? I believe it was because he figured Michigan was going to get punished and their delegates would not be counted..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 June 1, 2008 QuoteWhy'd he do that anyway? He, along with Richardson, Biden and Edwards removed their names from the ballot because the election did not count. Kucinich claims that he tried to get off of the ballot. Dodd and Clinton didn't remove their names. All the candidates pledged not to "campaign or participate" in the primary back in September, 2007. Richardson, Edwards, Biden and Obama showed that they meant it. There were games played, for sure. I have little doubt that Hillary Clinton would have won the Michigan primary. Obviously, the four who withdrew would be able to deflect any suggestion that Hillary won a primary, because they could all say that they weren't even on the ballot to be voted for. On the other hand, Hillary and Dodd were no doubt trying to get some leverage for the future - something to use if needed. And Hillary stepped it up - conveniently waiting until 10 days after the primary to start calling for the seating of Michigan and Florida delegates. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #8 June 1, 2008 QuoteThere were games played, for sure. I have little doubt that Hillary Clinton would have won the Michigan primary. Obviously, the four who withdrew would be able to deflect any suggestion that Hillary won a primary, because they could all say that they weren't even on the ballot to be voted for. On the other hand, Hillary and Dodd were no doubt trying to get some leverage for the future - something to use if needed. And Hillary stepped it up - conveniently waiting until 10 days after the primary to start calling for the seating of Michigan and Florida delegates. In other words, no one acted altruistically. Everyone acted according to their own political best interests. Obama set himself up to be able to argue that Michigan should not be counted because he wasn't even on the ballot (a fair argument), and Clinton set herself up to be able to argue that it's not fair to her, as the winner, or the voters to not count Michigan's primary (also a fair argument). Had Obama been likely to win instead of Clinton, we we would be seeing the opposite, Obama would have been on the ballot, Clinton would have had her name removed, and Obama would be arguing to count the Michigan primary. Politics as usual. It is only by chance that the best interest of the voters of Florida and Michigan is consistent with the best interest of Clinton.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #9 June 2, 2008 Quote Quote WTF are Hillary Clinton's supporters whining about? They're lucky that Michigan's votes were counted at all since Obama's name wasn't even took his name off the ballot! Fixed it for ya. It was perfectly correct as written originally. What is your problem?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #10 June 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote WTF are Hillary Clinton's supporters whining about? They're lucky that Michigan's votes were counted at all since Obama's name wasn't even took his name off the ballot! Fixed it for ya. It was perfectly correct as written originally. What is your problem? Some prefer to place it in the context that because Michigan pushed their primary early, that Sen. Obama was never on the ballot, when, in fact, that is not the case. All the candidates agreed to do, was not campaign. Some in Sen. Obama's camp bring it up in the perception as if he never had a chance...when, it was Sen. Obama that is solely responsible for not being on the ballot.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 June 3, 2008 Quote There were games played, for sure. I have little doubt that Hillary Clinton would have won the Michigan primary. Obviously, the four who withdrew would be able to deflect any suggestion that Hillary won a primary, because they could all say that they weren't even on the ballot to be voted for. one conclusion that can be drawn from this is that the rush of states to the front of the pack to make themselves 'more relevant' actually appears to serve to make all states less relevant as it favored (at least for the Democrats) the presumed favorite. Under the older more drawn out primary season, Obama would have captured states like California as he became better known to the voters and looking more like a viable candidate than another Jesse Jackson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vulture1254 0 #12 June 3, 2008 The phone is ringing. Ring….ring…..ring Finally the phone is picked up. A Man’s voice says: Hello? A woman says ‘Hi, is Barry there’? The reply is ‘Who is this?’ The woman replies ‘uh-this is Hillary Clinton.’ The reply is ‘Just a minute.’ Someone else comes on the phone and says ‘Hey, it is not 3 am – why are you calling?’ He continues ‘Hey—I was just kidding Ms. Clinton. Barack will be here in minute. He’s in the head.’ BO: Hello? HC: Hi Barack, this is Hillary. BO: Hey, how ya doin’? HC: Hi Barack….. I was just wondering… well I mean if you could see your way to select me as your VP – I think that America and especially the Democratic party would be united towards electing a democratic president --- this next time around. BO: It is so nice to hear from you, Hillary. Your voice is so much in tune with a need for a change that America wants and needs. HC: Barack, I thought that you might want to change a bit more and add me to your VP list. BO: Hillary, I totally and completely respect you and everything you have done, but – welll …but… HC: yes…? BO: uh the thing is that you cannot give sermons like my former pastors have that garnered much acclamation to my campaign. Wait – that might not be the right explanation. uh – you cannot bring the racists over to my side – in fact you kinda – sort of begged them on in your campaign… HC: Barack, that was then and this is now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 June 3, 2008 http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2008/06/01/ http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2008/06/02/ Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
