Scott McClellan Interview...... <<<crickets>>> Come on guys you can attack him like the rest of the fringe right.

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IT has been 2 hours since his interview and all we hear is silence from the fringe right. At least all his former friends at the White House an in the right wing are in attack mode.

The interview was VERY enlightening to how this administration divided America instead of bringing us together. The slight glimmer of hope we had for the president and administration to bring the country together after 9/11 was squandered on the administrations rush to the war in Iraq.

The role he played in the outting of Plame and why is very damning to those of you who supported the administration and hung on their EVERY...lets call it LIES finally since it was apparent to the rest of the American people long ago. These are the truths he told the FBI and the grand jury..... but I guess you guys will STILL stick to your beliefs that fringe right politics trumps Americanism.. even Scott realizes that sort of permanent campaigning that Bush and the Administration have foisted on America.

Scott called it the defining moment when he realized that the promises of his boss to bring honor and dignity back to the Office of the President.. did not match up with reality that he and the rest of us were seeing.

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Oh, you mean like how Freeh was attacked over HIS book?

Oh, wait...that's ENTIRELY different, isn't it...

As for Plame...perhaps you forgot this little snippet from CNN:

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WOLF BLITZER: It's now been well-known that you were the first administration official to tell Robert Novak, the syndicated columnist, about Valerie Plame Wilson's identity as a CIA operative. And that started, in effect, he wrote a column after that, a whole chain of events, we all know what happened as a result. I spoke with Valerie Plame Wilson the other day in "The Situation Room," and I want you to listen to what she said. ...

VALERIE PLAME, from "The Situation Room": Mr. Armitage did a very foolish thing. He's been around Washington for decades. He should know better. He's a senior government official. Whether he knew where exactly I worked in the CIA, he had no rights to go talking to a reporter about where I worked. That was strictly off limits.

BLITZER: Now, those are strong words from Valerie Plame Wilson.

RICHARD ARMITAGE: They're not words on which I disagree. I think it was extraordinarily foolish of me. There was no ill intent on my part, and never seen, ever, in 43 years of having a security clearance, a covert operative's name in a memo. The only reason I knew a Mrs. Wilson, not Mrs. Plame, worked at the agency was because I saw it in a memo. But I don't disagree with her words, to a large measure.

BLITZER: Normally, in memos, they don't name covert operatives?

ARMITAGE: I've never seen one named.

BLITZER: And so you assumed she was, what, just an analyst over at the CIA?

ARMITAGE: That's what it, not only assumed it, that's what the message said, and she was publicly chairing, chairing a meeting.

BLITZER: So when you told Robert Novak that Joe Wilson, the former U.S. ambassador's wife worked at the CIA and she was involved somehow in getting him this trip to Africa to look for the enriched uranium if there were enriched uranium going to Iraq, you simply assumed that she was not a clandestine officer of the CIA?

ARMITAGE: Even Mr. Novak has said that he used the word "operative," and misused it. No one ever said "operative." And I not only assumed it, as I say, I've never seen a covert agent's name in a memo. However, that doesn't take away from what Mrs. Plame said. It was foolish. Yeah, sure it was.

BLITZER: So you agree with her?

ARMITAGE: Yes, absolutely.

BLITZER: All right.

Yup...it was BUSH that outed Plame, all right....

Mike
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From the interview transcript

OLBERMANN: That's a good way to start.

That phrase, “you have since come to realize that some of those statements were badly misguided.” Not to put words in your mouth or insult you, but did you lie as White House press secretary at any point?

MCCLELLAN: Well, I did when it came to the issue of the Valerie Plame leak episode when I—unknowingly did so. I passed along false information. I had been given assurances by Karl Rove and Scooter Libby that they were not involved in the leak. And it turned out later that they were, but they both unequivocally told me, when I asked them, were you involved in this is any way? They said, no.



OLBERMANN: All right. Let me jump ahead to where we started, I with Plame. There's so much detail in the book and your role in it—the kind of make or break moment that it represented for you. If—you point out that day that the president confirmed that he was involved in declassifying parts of the NIE. In classifying parts of the National Intelligence Estimate, about Iraq and to use against Joe Wilson, is he, do you think, did he in essence or legally OK the leaking of Valerie Plame's CIA identity?

MCCLELLAN: Well, that's a question that I raise in the book. I don't know the truth behind it. But it did set in motion the chain events that led to the leak and to Valerie Plame's identity. I do not believe that the president was any way in—directly involved in the leaking of her identity.

But that was a very disillusioned moment when I found out—when it initially hit the press and we were I believe it was North Carolina, if I remember correctly. And the reporter shouted out to the president, is it true that you authorized the secret leaking of this previously classified information that the president does have the legal authority to walk on Air Force One?

And the president asked, what was the reporter asking. And I said, he asserted you were the one that authorized Scooter Libby leaking this information. And he said, yes, I did. And it really took me back. I could tell he didn't want to sit there and talk about it. And I walked back to the senior staff area on Air Force One, where I usually sit, and it took a while for that to sink in.

But that was just before I left. And at that point, I had made a decision that I could no longer continue in this administration. Now, there were changes coming in soon. I talked about this and Josh Bolton was looking to make some changes too. So my time frame was moved up a little bit from what I preferred. But that was the second defining moment that really caused me a lot of dismay and disillusionment.

OLBERMANN: Did you go into this kind of detail and the kind of detail that was in the book about the outing of Plame and what you knew or what you suspected with special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald?

MCCLELLAN: This is all consistent with I told the FBI investigators, the prosecutors — and I don't believe Patrick Fitzgerald was at my grand jury testimony. I testified—I think it was early February of would have been 2004 and—what I knew—and all of this information is very consistent with what I told them.

But I did tell White House reporters when the revelations came out that Rove and Libby were both involved when they said they weren't, that my hands were tied by the White House Council's office. They said, we can't comment on this. So it put me in a very tough situation. I had been undermined by these two fellow colleagues and senior staffers, and I told the White House reporters at that time that some day I look forward to talking about this when this is behind us.

And I think they really knew that I was expressing my sincere desire to do so. And in this book I go into great detail, every detail, about what I know.

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Mike I see you are still ok with destroying a lot of covert work and the people she had contacts with.. all for political gain....you are a true believer.. a True Defender of the Realm... King George II should give you a medal for being such a staunch supporter in his Permanent Campaign.

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Bwwwaaaaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Oh, this is too good.

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Do you really think conservatives waited with baited breath to hear this guy's interview?

What I get from it:

- Mr.McClellan by his admission doesn't know the truth behind the Plame imbroglio, but raises the question in his book. The credibility of a gossip columnist. But I suppose leftists were drinking iced tea and in the bathroom when that portion of the interview aired.
- Mr. McClellan states it was revealed that Mr. Libby and Mr. Rove actually WERE involved with leaking Ms. Plame's identity. HAHAHAHA! Mr. Fitgerald never found that out. Neither were indicted for it. And Mr. Armitage, who admitted to leaking her name, was not indicted. What makes you think Mr. McClellan is credible? OH WAIT! Another question you won't answer. Just like they won't tell us why many liberals support racial discrimination for collegiate admission. I won't hold my breath. Have some iced tea!

Enjoy your iced tea! I really like the fact that left wingers enjoy iced tea. What a better beverage than beer for left wingers. Doesn't affect their driving as badly - unless they spike it.

Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaa! Thanks for the laugh.

Iced tea for ALL my liberal friends!

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Iced tea for ALL my liberal friends!

I would say it kills far less brain cells that what the fringe righties are drinking tonight....

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Sad isn't it, that despite the administrations best efforts, they accidentally appointed someone who had principles.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Sad isn't it, that despite the administrations best efforts, they accidentally appointed someone who had principles.

True...but what is Freeh doing NOW?

Mike
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As for Plame...perhaps you forgot this little snippet from CNN:

Who wrote the memo? Who was the ultimate authority calling for the memo to be written with her identity revealed? Why did that person authorize it?

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One would believe a thorough investigation would have revealed that. Given Mr. Armitage's position and the # of memoranda he must read on a daily/weekly basis, one might understand how that might be somewhat difficult to track down. It could probably be done, however.

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Why attack the guy for telling it like it is? You won't hear it from me. It looks like the guy is actually principled, and says it.

Jeanne - what are your thoughts on this henchman of the right wing?

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Jeanne - what are your thoughts on this henchman of the right wing?

I think he is losing all his fair weather friends who expect him to keep drinkin that red koolaid... no matter what.

I am quite sure that with the situational ethics found in this administration.... that the reality of what was going on with his fellow co-workers was troubling for anyone who was actually expecting his associates to live up to their promises.

I think he finally developed a spine... and walked away..and his testimony to the FBI and grand jury spooked him... especially after they convicted Libby for lying.

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Why bother?

Yes, the war critics who said we were being lied to were right. Yes, there was a carefully orchestrated effort to blind both congress and the public to the realities of the war, and thus garner support for a purely political war. We now have one of the most "inside" people of the administration admitting this.

So what? No right winger, ever, will admit that he might have been wrong. They just don't swing that way. The next time there's a republican president agitating for war and covering up information, they will fall in line as eagerly as they did last time and lap up every lie the next McClellan has to give them.

Likewise, the war critics will say "we've been here before!" and no one will listen to them, once again. Any revelation by McClellan will be forgotten over the latest Brittney Spears/Leonardo DiCaprio scandal.

So we were right. So what? There are still 4000 dead american troops, and tens of thousands innocent Iraqis who have died for this mistake. That's nothing to be proud of for anyone, no matter what side of the aisle they were on.

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So what? No right winger, ever, will admit that he might have been wrong. They just don't swing that way

But it sure is funny watching them dance around making excuses for this administration....

You are right though.. its very sad for the 4000+ families of sons and daughters and fathers and mothers who would be with their families now if this administration had not rushed into a war it was ideologically ill prepared for. IT was the wrong war, in the wrong place.. for the wrong reasons... and the people who orchestrated it have gotten away with it so far.

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Wow FAUX NEWS is out in the lead on savaging poor little
Scott.....

O'Reilly was frothing at the mouth about him being on NBC and MSNBC....and this was while Bush;s Brain was there denying everything...( what was the line that in all things. deny deny deny)

Then Hannity and Colmes.. had on the attack bitch herself... stating that " All the people leaving the administration and writing books are just stupid people"

Wow.. as long as you are with them you can walk on water.. but BEWARE if you leave and no longer spout the fringe right party line...you are agin em

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*Cues up the attacks on Freeh*.... this is nothing new.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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It's the iced tea, my friend...the iced tea.

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I think the most interesting point McClellan makes is his constant campaign one. In this, you can find similarities between the GWB and EJC (El Jefe Clintonista)...er...WJC administrations. I think the man by his own admission has no credibility when speaking on the Plame affair and WRT Katrina think nobody disagrees that the Federal response was poor, but that's not news. Where he might have some insight and where everyone really ought to take a close look is the campaign mentality of which he speaks/writes - if it's what I think it is. Might actually read a bit of the book (that section anyway).

But left wingers aren't going to admit they're wrong...they're not built that way...

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I think the most interesting point McClellan makes is his constant campaign one. In this, you can find similarities between the GWB and EJC (El Jefe Clintonista)...er...WJC administrations. I think the man by his own admission has no credibility when speaking on the Plame affair and WRT Katrina think nobody disagrees that the Federal response was poor, but that's not news. Where he might have some insight and where everyone really ought to take a close look is the campaign mentality of which he speaks/writes - if it's what I think it is. Might actually read a bit of the book (that section anyway).

But left wingers aren't going to admit they're wrong...they're not built that way...

You need to ease up on the tequila, you're getting delusional.

The Iraq war was sold to the Congress and the public based on LIES. The number of independent sources that show this to be the case is overwhelming.

Maybe you should pay some attention to those who realized back in 2002/2003 that we were being fed a bunch of lies.

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Yup...it was BUSH that outed Plame, all right....

Yup. Armitage, Libby AND Rove. Don't want to forget that part either
Plus you got the added bonus of Cheney saying that he was allowed do it if he wanted to. Of course he lost me with the "executive who isn't part of the executive branch" bit. He's got super-villain powers I guess.

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Wow FAUX NEWS is out in the lead on savaging poor little
Scott.....

O'Reilly was frothing at the mouth about him being on NBC and MSNBC....

Actually the story that McClellen is telling is nothing new. For years former administration officials, government employees, even leaders of other countries have all said the same thing. The war with Iraq was planned and that the intelligence that was disseminated was fixed to that policy. The only difference this time is that it's a much closer insider who is verifying those claims. I think that's what's gotten most of the right wing ignorance peddlers' panties in a wad, the fact that it was a loyalist who is spilling the beans.

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Change the subject if you like, Sir Kallend, but I wasn't speaking of the Iraq war. Changing the subject won't by your new-found friend credibility on la senora Plame's imbroglio or negate the state/local/federal relationship in the disaster preparedness arena. Avoiding facts changeth them not.

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Change the subject if you like, Sir Kallend, but I wasn't speaking of the Iraq war. Changing the subject won't by your new-found friend credibility on la senora Plame's imbroglio or negate the state/local/federal relationship in the disaster preparedness arena. Avoiding facts changeth them not.

The topic is the McClellan interview, not the Plame affair. Try reading the thread's subject line.

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I enjoyed this.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Bob_Dole_unloads_on_McClellan.html


Bob Dole unloads on McClellan


Bob Dole yesterday sent a scalding email to Scott McClellan, excoriating the former White House spokesman as a "miserable creature" who greedily betrayed his former patron for a fast buck.

In an extraordinary message obtained and authenticated by Politico, Dole uses his trademark biting wit to portray McClellan as a classic Washington opportunist.

"There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues," Dole wrote in a message sent yesterday morning. "No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique."

Michael Marshall, Dole's spokesman and colleague at the Alston Bird law firm, confirms the message came from the former senator and presidential candidate. "Yes, it is authentic," Marshall wrote in an email.

"In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you," Dole writes, recounting his years representing Kansas in the House and Senate. "No doubt you will 'clean up' as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, 'Biting The Hand That Fed Me.' Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years"

Dole assures McClellan that he won't read the book -- "because if all these awful things were happening, and perhaps some may have been, you should have spoken up publicly like a man, or quit your cushy, high profile job"

"That would have taken integrity and courage but then you would have had credibility and your complaints could have been aired objectively," Dole concludes. "You’re a hot ticket now but don’t you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?"

He signs the email simply: "BOB DOLE"

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues," Dole wrote in a message sent yesterday morning. "No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique."



I think that is true.. but remember when ANYONE did not kiss some major BUSH ass and agree with him.... they were gone very quickly... a bunch of generals come to mind.. let alone any of the syncophants that Bush surrounded himself with that he expected absolute loyalty no matter what sort of "reality" he had fashioned in his mind on any given subject.

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Bob Dole yesterday sent a scalding email to Scott McClellan, excoriating the former White House spokesman as a "miserable creature" who greedily betrayed his former patron for a fast buck.

Maybe so, but Bush betrayed the country.