TheAnvil 0 #1 May 29, 2008 Clicky oooh yeah. Hot diggety DAMN but have unions been in the WSJ editorials over the past couple of days... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #2 May 29, 2008 Quote Clicky oooh yeah. Hot diggety DAMN but have unions been in the WSJ editorials over the past couple of days... I take it that you liked Bush's endorsement of corporations outsourcing high paying US jobs to (mostly) Asia, so Americans could take low paying service jobs instead.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 May 29, 2008 The Economist and Foreign Affairs are superb reading, dear John. Perhaps the next time a god outsourcing article comes up I'll send it to you along with some iced tea...there have been several in the past few months. Do you support protectionism? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #4 May 29, 2008 Just some thoughts about cheaper products: Do we really want cheaper pickup trucks? I thought we had an oil supply problem to deal with. In this era of excessive consumption, increasing population and dwindling resources is it wise to continue practices that encourage tremendous waste? When was the last time anyone sewed the hole in their sock back up instead of buying a new pair (or six)? Why is it sometimes cheaper to buy a brand new printer, with spare ink cartridges included, than it is to buy a set of replacement ink cartridges? Is this practice wise or should we just not think about it and consume, consume, consume without thoughts on sustainability? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #5 May 29, 2008 Free Trade at work! US Farms outsource to Mexico! wonder why it showed up in the Philippines AP press? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #6 May 29, 2008 It's tough to take seriously an op-ed without a by line, especially when it offers no indication of how the numbers were obtained.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 May 29, 2008 I'm all for free trade, but there isn't nearly enough details in the article to make a decision. We could eliminate tariffs on good we import, but would that be reciprocated by the other country? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote Clicky oooh yeah. Hot diggety DAMN but have unions been in the WSJ editorials over the past couple of days... I take it that you liked Bush's endorsement of corporations outsourcing high paying US jobs to (mostly) Asia, so Americans could take low paying service jobs instead. That's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #9 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Clicky oooh yeah. Hot diggety DAMN but have unions been in the WSJ editorials over the past couple of days... I take it that you liked Bush's endorsement of corporations outsourcing high paying US jobs to (mostly) Asia, so Americans could take low paying service jobs instead. That's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. While having the second highest corporate tax rate in the OECD doesn't help us compete, the biggest problem is our grossly higher costs of living and salaries needed to afford them compared to the developing world. You can hire well educated Chinese and Indians for 1/10th to 1/5 what it costs to get Americans. Eastern Europeans are also inexpensive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 May 29, 2008 Agreed - which comes right back around to taxation and the cost of manufacturing....vicious circle.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Clicky oooh yeah. Hot diggety DAMN but have unions been in the WSJ editorials over the past couple of days... I take it that you liked Bush's endorsement of corporations outsourcing high paying US jobs to (mostly) Asia, so Americans could take low paying service jobs instead. That's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. Taxes are small potatoes compared with other costs here. Besides, it's hard to claim taxes are too high all the time revenues Fact is, deliberate policy is steadily bringing US workers' incomes DOWN to match those of Asians.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 May 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteThat's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. Taxes are small potatoes compared with other costs here. Besides, it's hard to claim taxes are too high all the time revenues << expenditures. Only if you believe that current expenditures aren't out of control. I'd rather pull the pigs (Congress) back from the trough than keep shoveling in the slops (taxes). QuoteFact is, deliberate policy is steadily bringing US workers' incomes DOWN to match those of Asians. And what 'policy' would that be, pray tell. Perhaps you can point me to legislature on it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #13 May 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. Taxes are small potatoes compared with other costs here. Besides, it's hard to claim taxes are too high all the time revenues << expenditures. Only if you believe that current expenditures aren't out of control. I'd rather pull the pigs (Congress) back from the trough than keep shoveling in the slops (taxes). QuoteFact is, deliberate policy is steadily bringing US workers' incomes DOWN to match those of Asians. And what 'policy' would that be, pray tell. Perhaps you can point me to legislature on it. Silly boy. You don't need to be a government body to have a policy. I have a policy of reporting cheating students to the dean. Legislative INACTION can be deliberate policy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 May 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. Taxes are small potatoes compared with other costs here. Besides, it's hard to claim taxes are too high all the time revenues << expenditures. Only if you believe that current expenditures aren't out of control. I'd rather pull the pigs (Congress) back from the trough than keep shoveling in the slops (taxes). QuoteFact is, deliberate policy is steadily bringing US workers' incomes DOWN to match those of Asians. And what 'policy' would that be, pray tell. Perhaps you can point me to legislature on it. Silly boy. You don't need to be a government body to have a policy. I have a policy of reporting cheating students to the dean. Legislative INACTION can be deliberate policy. I see - so you don't actually have any evidence that any sort of policy exists in that regard, just a supposition. Thanks for the clarification.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #15 May 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. Taxes are small potatoes compared with other costs here. Besides, it's hard to claim taxes are too high all the time revenues << expenditures. Only if you believe that current expenditures aren't out of control. I'd rather pull the pigs (Congress) back from the trough than keep shoveling in the slops (taxes). QuoteFact is, deliberate policy is steadily bringing US workers' incomes DOWN to match those of Asians. And what 'policy' would that be, pray tell. Perhaps you can point me to legislature on it. Silly boy. You don't need to be a government body to have a policy. I have a policy of reporting cheating students to the dean. Legislative INACTION can be deliberate policy. I see - so you don't actually have any evidence that any sort of policy exists in that regard, just a supposition. Thanks for the clarification. It seems you've conveniently forgotten the Economic Report of the President, 2004.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 May 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's what happens when you over-tax businesses - they move to where they can do business cheaper. Taxes are small potatoes compared with other costs here. Besides, it's hard to claim taxes are too high all the time revenues << expenditures. Only if you believe that current expenditures aren't out of control. I'd rather pull the pigs (Congress) back from the trough than keep shoveling in the slops (taxes). QuoteFact is, deliberate policy is steadily bringing US workers' incomes DOWN to match those of Asians. And what 'policy' would that be, pray tell. Perhaps you can point me to legislature on it. Silly boy. You don't need to be a government body to have a policy. I have a policy of reporting cheating students to the dean. Legislative INACTION can be deliberate policy. I see - so you don't actually have any evidence that any sort of policy exists in that regard, just a supposition. Thanks for the clarification. It seems you've conveniently forgotten the Economic Report of the President, 2004. And just *where* does it state "Our stated policy is to reduce US workers' incomes to match those of Asians", pray tell?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #17 May 30, 2008 Quote And just *where* does it state "Our stated policy is to reduce US workers' incomes to match those of Asians", pray tell? It's an unintended consequence of our business and trade practices. So too is the reality that the world's largest creditor has been reduced to the world's largest debtor over the course of one generation. Sorry to leave that hanging but I have to go for the weekend. Got some jumpin' to do! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 May 30, 2008 QuoteQuote And just *where* does it state "Our stated policy is to reduce US workers' incomes to match those of Asians", pray tell? It's an unintended consequence of our business and trade practices. So too is the reality that the world's largest creditor has been reduced to the world's largest debtor over the course of one generation. Sorry to leave that hanging but I have to go for the weekend. Got some jumpin' to do! I don't deny the consequences... I refute the 'policy' claim of the good Professor and ask that he shows where it is a deliberate policy with the stated goal. Have a good weekend!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 May 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote And just *where* does it state "Our stated policy is to reduce US workers' incomes to match those of Asians", pray tell? It's an unintended consequence of our business and trade practices. So too is the reality that the world's largest creditor has been reduced to the world's largest debtor over the course of one generation. Sorry to leave that hanging but I have to go for the weekend. Got some jumpin' to do! I don't deny the consequences... I refute the 'policy' claim of the good Professor and ask that he shows where it is a deliberate policy with the stated goal. Have a good weekend! Doing nothing about adverse unintended consequences (and in fact saying it's good for the country) IS a conscious decision by the Bush administration. I would label that "policy". YMMV.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
