Oh for f*cks sake.....

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I guess this is some sort of "vast left-wing conspiracy", now?

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Former President Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Sen. Hillary Clinton is not the nominee and suggested that some were trying to "push and pressure and bully" superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

I can't believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out," Clinton said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News.

Clinton also suggested that some were trying to "cover up" Hillary Clinton's chances of winning in key states that Democrats will have to win in the general election.

" 'Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh, my goodness, we have to cover this up.' "

More "win at all costs" from the Clintons? Seems like Hillary had no problem agreeing with the DNC's decision to not seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan.... UNTIL she started falling behind - now it's a different tune she's singing.

Your thoughts?

Mike
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One word you can always describe ANY politician with:

Hypocrite

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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One word you can always describe ANY politician with:

Hypocrite

True, true....unfortunately

Mike
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So, the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" now has the additional help of the "Vast Left Wing Conspiracy".

This only brings me to one conclusion.
If everyone, on every side, is conspiring to get rid of her,
then maybe that is a huge hint. Nobody wants her.

If the other party wants you to quit, that's normal.
If your own party wants you to quit... whoa.

If she was such a guaranteed win, the DNC wouldn't be against her.

I'm going with the "bat-shit" crazy theory.

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On top of that, the Florida Democrat Party is suing the DNC to have its primary count.

I'm totally enjoying the view.

Both parties are in a real pickle.

Sen. Obama can't hide the strings that control him anymore, and if he gets the nomination, he doesn't have the moxie to get the "blue-dog-democrats". Sen. Clinton seems to get "help" from her husband at the wrong times. The two of them are seeing the party they "redefined" slipping from their fingers.

With all that going on, and the utter lack of any real initiative from the Republican party to bring its agenda to the table during the left-infighting, grumble...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I'm totally enjoying the view.

Both parties are in a real pickle.

Sen. Obama can't hide the strings that control him anymore, and if he gets the nomination, he doesn't have the moxie to get the "blue-dog-democrats". Sen. Clinton seems to get "help" from her husband at the wrong times. The two of them are seeing the party they "redefined" slipping from their fingers.
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I have really been thinking about the inability of Obama and McCain to draw away from their base and I wonder about potential VP candidates. The republican short list seems to be pretty deep, but when I hear some of the names on the democrat list, I'm fluctuating between "who" and "why". I think the landscape will really change when we are seeing four names mentioned instead of two. Just something rattling around in my head.

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True, true....unfortunately

I am waitig to see who each of the candidates picks to be their running mate and I will make my decision based on that.

McCain is a shoe in to die in office.... of old age or something related to that

Obama or Hillary will be shot by a right wing good ole boy militia guy using the excuse he is saving America from Communism

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I am waitig to see who each of the candidates picks to be their running mate and I will make my decision based on that.

As long as said candidate has the approved (D) behind their name, obviously.

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McCain is a shoe in to die in office.... of old age or something related to that

Ah, ageism from one of the first to cry 'misogyny' when someone says something about Hillary....nice.

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Obama or Hillary will be shot by a right wing good ole boy militia guy using the excuse he is saving America from Communism

If Obama picks Hillary as VP, it wouldn't surpise me in the least if he ended up in Ft. Marcy park with his clothes full of carpet fibers, if that's what you mean.

Mike
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Wrong again Mikeee.... you are not keeping up..

I voted for McCain in the primary....but his latest pandering to the FAR RELIGIOUS WRONGERS... will not let me vote for him.. especially if he comes up with some right wing whack job as a running mate.( Of course if he does that.. all your ambivalence about him as a candidate will be all forgiven... from you and Lush RimJob and the rest of Radio Fascist AmeriKa)

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Wrong again Mikeee.... you are not keeping up..

I voted for McCain in the primary....but his latest pandering to the FAR RELIGIOUS WRONGERS... will not let me vote for him.. especially if he comes up with some right wing whack job as a running mate.( Of course if he does that.. all your ambivalence about him as a candidate will be all forgiven... from you and Lush RimJob and the rest of Radio Fascist AmeriKa)

Nice...thanks for (once AGAIN) comparing me to a fascist since I don't follow your point of view.

Let's see...what's that quote about motes and beams, again?

Mike
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I said

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Of course if he does that.. all your ambivalence about him as a candidate will be all forgiven... from you and Lush RimJob and the rest of Radio Fascist AmeriKa)

Lets split that into 2 parts for the reading comp[rehension challenged.

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Of course if he does that.. all your ambivalence about him as a candidate will be all forgiven... from you

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and Lush RimJob and the rest of Radio Fascist AmeriKa

Because you know that as soon as he gets his proper credntials from the rePUBICan Party and their spokesperson from on high( or is that just high spokesperson).. Lush Rimjob will forgive him for all his former centrist and "liberal" ideas that he has flip flopped on.

NOW since you seem to eat up any of their positions... if it quacks and goose steps... hmm it might be a ??????

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NOW since you seem to eat up any of their positions... if it quacks and goose steps... hmm it might be a ??????

I do, hmmm? Why don't you just go ahead and show me ANY post where I've referenced a story from them.

Go ahead... I'll wait.

Mike
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Oh for f*cks sake Mike... if there was a Defender of the Realm equivalent for Bush Supporters... you would have what.... like 45 Oak Clusters on it by now???

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Oh for f*cks sake Mike... if there was a Defender of the Realm equivalent for Bush Supporters... you would have what.... like 45 Oak Clusters on it by now???

"If at first you don't succeed"..... *sigh*

Lemme try ONE more time, just for you, Jeanne....

Pointing out that the Dems are just as bad a bunch of shitbags as the Reps does NOT equal "Defender of the Realm".

Not jumping in with wild agreement on every thread talking about how everything that is bad in the world is Bush's fault does NOT equal "Defender of the Realm".

Get the picture, yet?

Mike
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[masterrig 1]

I think, we've reached the point to where we have a hard time even voting for the lesser of two evils! As for Hillary, you can't believe a damned word she says and what she does say sounds like she's on 'something. She doesn't like the way the primaries are going so, she just wants to change it all to suit her. As for the two remaining candidates, it's a coin flip. I have one question: Where, in all this country, is a REAL leader and presidential material and not bought-off by some big interest group?


Chuck

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Where, in all this country, is a REAL leader and presidential material and not bought-off by some big interest group?

Those people are kept out of politics by other politicians, interest groups, etc...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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If Dr. Paul would change to Indie (since he didn't get the Rep nomination), he'd get my vote.

As it stands right now.... I'm not 100% sure WHO to vote for.

Mike
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Where, in all this country, is a REAL leader and presidential material and not bought-off by some big interest group?

Those people are kept out of politics by other politicians, interest groups, etc...

Sad but true!


Chuck

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Looks like, we're in the same boat! What Hillary don't know, she 'dreams-up'. Obama is too busy fending-off the clergy. Meanwhile, Ol' what's-his-name is waiting to see which Democrat he's going to face and he doesn't sem to be saying much of anything. Wake me when it's over!


Chuck

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I have one question: Where, in all this country, is a REAL leader and presidential material and not bought-off by some big interest group?

I have limited interest in discussing politics and think this might be my first ever speaker's corner post, but...

Under different conditions I would love to have seen Bloomberg involved. His level of experience obviously lacks some pretty important international experience but when it comes down to it he is an incredibly intelligent man who knows enough to surround himself with the right people and listen to them. His business approach to running NYC was a breath of fresh air. I haven't kept close tabs since I left NYC, but when first elected it was all on his own dime and he did so without ending up with tons of political baggage. Don't know if that could still be said.

Killing threads since 2004.

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I don't recall ever hearing or reading anything bad about the man. He might have been just the one we're looking for but, doesn't look very good we'll ever find out. He sounds a helluva lot better than the choices we have now. He's probably smart enough to not even think of running.


Chuck

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He thought about it quite a bit. A friend who was in the background of his first political campaign and transition committee said he wanted to run for president more than anything, but wasn't willing to do it if it meant being more of a spoiler than a viable 3rd party candidate.

He's not all that concerned with party lines. Was originally a democrat, decided he wanted to run for mayor of NYC but there was already a democrat in the race so he switched parties. He funded his own election campaign, got elected without being tied down with a bunch of baggage and took over the city like a business. He made a bunch of very unpopular decisions (raised taxes on cigarettes, raised traffic fines, etc.) but the stuff he did worked and it got him reelected. He also led by example. He continued to live in his own home and rides the subway to work. One of the neatest things I saw was that he took city hall and turned it upside down. Offices were a thing of the past and everyone now works in a large open bullpen, including him. he does have an office for necessary private stuff, but he's just one of the staff and shows that he expects as much out of himself as he does of his staff. Good work is awarded and slackers are sent walking in an atmosphere where party affiliation meant far less then one's ability to do the job at hand objectively.

I would love to see what he would do on a national stage.

Killing threads since 2004.

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That's what I'm talkin' about! He sounds like the 'real deal'! Maybe, he shoul've shut his eyes and tossed his hat in the ring. All these other candidates we have, have too much baggage, too much lobbyist funding and as far as I'm concerned... they just don't cut-it. On the other hand maybe, he's just 'too smart'. We NEED that guy!
I am just scared to death that Hillary will somehow, cast one of her cauldrin spells and win! She's played just about every angle possible and that broad, couldn't find her butt with both hands, let alone, run this country. She's so damned bought-off by lobbyists, it's un-real. McCain? I don't know why but, I just don't trust him. He's too 'Washington'. I think, Obama means well but just might be a bit naive. I quit listening to any ofthem.


Chuck