A thread about religious tolerance and conflicts.
Some are between believers and non-believers.
Some are between different religions.
Most religions think that they have "The Truth" and spend some time trying to convert non-believers.
The non-believers don't really enjoy it.
Then, they get fairly serious when someone, who is already in the religion business, challenges their flavor of The Truth.
I understand now. 
Not the religion part, just the being irritated part.
Most religions think that they have "The Truth" and spend some time trying to convert non-believers.
The non-believers don't really enjoy it.
The non-believers don't really enjoy it.
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I dont know where your getting this conversion thing. I dont even like that word. It does absolutely no good to "convert" anyone who doesnt truly desire to be "converted", so I dont spend my time trying to convert anyone. I bring you the truth of the Gospel and if anything, there is just as much "conversion" technique going on with non-believers. If my intent were to use deceptive persuasion to coax someone into "conversion" then it would be obvious considering the company here. But its not obvious, becasue my intent is not deceptive. This is what I truly believe and it comes from my heart. I try hard to practice the truth of the Gospel. I am not operating alone, I am, in the sight of God, relaying the message of the Gospel the way it was given to me. It doesnt change the fact that there is something inherintly true in the universe. Contrary to popular belief, I have done some research on other religions that claim truth. I think truth pretty much speaks for itself."We didn't start the fire"
jcd11235 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteTrue things are true, therefore God exists!
...Upon further thought...
It should say, "true things are true, therefore truth exists"
Do you know what begging the question means?
No. But I suppose you will say it means something like Ive already given the answer inside the question.
That is essentially what it means. You are using your conjecture to prove your conjecture. The problem with begging the question is that it allows one to reach logically invalid, erroneous conclusions.
QuoteThats not my intent. My intent is to sincerely ask what he believes to be greater than man. Is that not a fair question?
Which man? Greater in what sense? Has a greater mass? Has a greater height? Has a greater volume? Has a greater temperature? Has a greater carbon content? What quantitative property of many does this particular thing you are looking for need to have more of than man? If you are talking about qualitative properties, greater than doesn't make much sense, since the answer will be purely subjective.
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jakee 1,595
QuoteOk. I never claimed to be intelligent, but what exactly would you like to hear. I am quite surprised that you got nothing out of that, oh well, at least you made me laugh a bit!
That! A sentance that can actually be understood! Now if you can transform your arguments into a similarly plain english format we might be able to get somewhere.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,595
QuoteTrue things are true, therefore God exists!
...Upon further thought...
It should say, "true things are true, therefore truth exists" Truth is greater than us. What do you believe is greater than man?
What is 'greater'? Bigger? More powerful? More important?
If I think certain causes or concepts, or living by certain standards of moral behaviour are more important than my own life, does that mean I think they actually have objective existence somewhere? no. Would I call them greater than myself? Maybe.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteQuoteTrue things are true, therefore God exists!
...Upon further thought...
It should say, "true things are true, therefore truth exists" Truth is greater than us. What do you believe is greater than man?
What is 'greater'? Bigger? More powerful? More important?
If I think certain causes or concepts, or living by certain standards of moral behaviour are more important than my own life, does that mean I think they actually have objective existence somewhere? no. Would I call them greater than myself? Maybe.
When I say greater and you guys ask me how, I believe it answers my question. Nevertheless, there are things that bind a man and things that free a man, both are greater than man.
"We didn't start the fire"
jakee 1,595
QuoteWhen I say greater and you guys ask me how, I believe it answers my question.
Eh?
QuoteNevertheless, there are things that bind a man and things that free a man, both are greater than man.
Eh?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteQuoteWhen I say greater and you guys ask me how, I believe it answers my question.
Eh?QuoteNevertheless, there are things that bind a man and things that free a man, both are greater than man.
Eh?
Have you never struggled with an addiction before? Or had thoughts you didnt want?
"We didn't start the fire"
jakee 1,595
QuoteHave you never struggled with an addiction before? Or had thoughts you didnt want?
Can't say I have. what do you mean thoughts I didn't want? Like what?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteQuoteHave you never struggled with an addiction before? Or had thoughts you didnt want?
Can't say I have. what do you mean thoughts I didn't want? Like what?
Temptation to do something you really dont want to do. Lets say adulteress thoughts. Or have you never met with the struggle for self control before? Both very humbling experiences to say the least. No amount of money in the world, no education good enough will get full trust back from the one who is betrayed.
"We didn't start the fire"
Do you know what begging the question means?
No. But I suppose you will say it means something like Ive already given the answer inside the question. Thats not my intent. My intent is to sincerely ask what he believes to be greater than man. Is that not a fair question?