Would This End the NO DRILL Rules We Currently Suffer Under?

[rushmc 23]

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[billvon 3,119]

No, but it might end the "I'll use as much gas as I want and the hell with you!" attitudes we see frequently. Indeed, the higher the price of oil gets - and the more we are threatened by countries like Venezuela and Iran - the more value we will see in not draining our reserves as rapidly as we can.

[rushmc 23]

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No, but it might end the "I'll use as much gas as I want and the hell with you!" attitudes we see frequently. Indeed, the higher the price of oil gets - and the more we are threatened by countries like Venezuela and Iran - the more value we will see in not draining our reserves as rapidly as we can.

The problem is we are not running out of oil. It is that those with your mind set will not let us get the oil that is there because that is bad

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[azdiver 0]

what about synthetic fuels, then we wouldnt be draining our supply?

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[billvon 3,119]

>The problem is we are not running out of oil.

Well, then, no problem! We can just drill in the remaining 99% of the US and get all the oil we need. (That's around 2.3 billion acres.) If we're not running out of oil, there's no need for that less-than-1% that is ANWR.

[rushmc 23]

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>The problem is we are not running out of oil.

Well, then, no problem! We can just drill in the remaining 99% of the US and get all the oil we need. (That's around 2.3 billion acres.) If we're not running out of oil, there's no need for that less-than-1% that is ANWR.

Off the coast, cant do, CO and other states, cant do, Anwar, cant do.

If you are right, why are you against drilling domesticaly?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>If you are right, why are you against drilling domesticaly?

?? I'm not. I am just against drilling in federally designated wildlife preserves. If Exxon wants to drill in Colorado - and they observe all the applicable environmental laws, of course - go for it.

[azdiver 0]

why exactly are u against drilling in anwar? after all the amount of space need for doing it is small and the impact is minimal to the env. however the impact on the economy would be huge, just putting out a minimal production could cause many of the exporters to us to increase their production levels and bring prices way down again. in anwar there are already several wells drilled, just hooking them up to pumps and oil pipelines is all that they would have to do to start with.

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[kelpdiver 2]

Why do you people keep asking Bill a question he's answered dozens of time. He views oil as an increasingly scarce (and therefore increasingly valuable) resource and believes we should hoard our in border sources till after everyone else runs out.

In 30 or 50 years, we might really need that option. If we drill it out, we'll waste it, for we have yet to come up with a serious plan. Sorry, Rush, saying there's no supply concern isn't a plan.

I do have doubts about these $12 predictions in the near future - the price pressure has been driven by growing demand in the 3rd world - a huge spike in the price will eliminate that demand back down to an amount that the current producers can meet. This equilibrium is probably between what we see now and what the Europeans were paying last year.

[Royd 0]

If you are right, why are you against drilling domesticaly?

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?? I'm not. I am just against drilling in federally designated wildlife preserves. If Exxon wants to drill in Colorado - and they observe all the applicable environmental laws, of course - go for it.

You're a man of science and engineering. Do you really believe that the oil industry acts with reckless abandon as they did in the infancy of the industry?
What emotional attachment do you actually have with ANWR?
Does attaching a name to some place suddenly change what it has been for thousands of years?

Once the wells are drilled, the only thing that would remain would be some pump jacks and pipelines.

Any new building, housing development or road is an eyesore, and potentially, contributes to the precious global warming, to those of us who love the look of nature. Are you also against these things or is ANWR just a convenient, safe bandwagon to jump on?

[Gawain 0]

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No, but it might end the "I'll use as much gas as I want and the hell with you!" attitudes we see frequently. Indeed, the higher the price of oil gets - and the more we are threatened by countries like Venezuela and Iran - the more value we will see in not draining our reserves as rapidly as we can.

So, in that view, do you advocate direct hindering of the US economy to stifle demand, growth, and then as only possibly limit the rise in the cost of energy?

That's not realistic.

Next, we are not draining our reserves. We've not touched them (if you talking about the SPR).

I want to hear from anyone, why we can't drill off-shore and in ANWR. Environment? I don't buy it. There are drilling rigs up and down the coasts of the US, Australia...I'm aware of absolutely zero spills from any of these rigs.

You know how many drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico leaked after the hurricanes? Zero.

How many drilling and pump elements have leaked in Alaska? None that I can find.

There was a pipeline leak in 2006 in the TransAlaskan pipeline. So, aside from the Exxon Valdez, I know of one incident in recent memory.

While we have paralyzed and stifled our growth, China is gobbling up leases in the Gulf of Mexico.

The part of ANWR where we want to drill, has no natural wildlife...there are no trees, the caribou don't roam up there.

We aren't developing shale-oil acquisition, and coal-gas conversion isn't happening fast enough.

US oil companies have technologies to drill in a more environmental fashion than anywhere in the world. Which brings up another point, why is all the focus on the US? These other countries that are drilling don't give a sh*t about their employees, nevermind the environment.

Stifling growth, hindering innovation...the environmental movement is nothing about the environment and all about attacking American innovation and leadership.

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[nerdgirl 0]

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US oil companies have technologies to drill in a more environmental fashion than anywhere in the world.

Concur. More than just "environmental fashion", US companies (e.g., Schlumberger) have developed innovative technology across the petroleum discovery, location, and recovery industrial space. China & India are trying to catch up. It's a great leveraging point that the US should use!

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Which brings up another point, why is all the focus on the US? These other countries that are drilling don't give a sh*t about their employees, nevermind the environment.

While US commercial media may focus on the US because that serves their demographic, all of the focus has hardly been on the US. "Killing and Drilling" is an example of a documentary from the late 1990s on Chevron and Shell's 'exploits' in Nigeria. I've already cited international objections to the Myanmar (nee Burma's) military govt's use of slave labor (the Karen ethnic minority) for building pipelines through the north of that country.

One can speculate as to why the information isn't more readily disseminated. It's not because the information or criticisms are not there.

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Stifling growth, hindering innovation...the environmental movement is nothing about the environment and all about attacking American innovation and leadership.

It is politicized that way, yes. And I would agree that there are groups of folks whom I would characterize (less than diplomatically) as 'environmental luddites.' They also frequently oppose vaccines, want everything 'chemical-free' (which never fails to amuse me: "chemical free" ='s a vacuum), etc.

Then there's the portion that innovate low-tech, e.g., guys converting old Deisel trucks to biodeisel from old vegetable oil, and high-tech: solar, the renaissaince in nuclear power, algae-derived fuels, etc. etc. etc.

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[rehmwa 2]

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why exactly are u against drilling in anwar?

actually, the point is moot

the Canadian "Slanty Drilling Oil Company" has already drained ANWAR with innovative drilling methods

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[billvon 3,119]

>do you advocate direct hindering of the US economy to stifle demand,
>growth, and then as only possibly limit the rise in the cost of energy?

As much as you advocate purposely (and rapidly) squandering a critical military resource in order to make us dependent (militarily) on our enemies.

>There are drilling rigs up and down the coasts of the US, Australia...
>I'm aware of absolutely zero spills from any of these rigs.

Spills are not the issue. The issue (from an environmental viewpoint) is trash, diesel exhaust, roads, parking lots, dumps, cranes, generators, housing, water demand, powerlines and sewers.

>The part of ANWR where we want to drill, has no natural wildlife.

Wow. I'd recommend a trip up there sometime. I think you might change your mind.

>Stifling growth, hindering innovation...the environmental movement is
>nothing about the environment and all about attacking American
>innovation and leadership.

So in your mind, development of cellulosic ethanol, solar power, the Volt, the Tesla, the Escape hybrid - are examples of the stifling of American innovation and leadership?

We are poised at the trailing edge of an era. We will soon see the end of cheap oil. It's happening now to a degree. We have two choices:

1) Follow the traditional path of "do nothing but drill until we're out." Make all solutions political ones. Attack environmentalists, give oil companies tax breaks, protect waste and stop innovation on new energy technologies.

2) Stop concentrating on getting the last million barrels out of the ground and start focusing on solutions that will get us past oil.

I think the US in general is getting a little sick of option 1). We can see where that's gotten us so far.

[lawrocket 3]

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why exactly are u against drilling in anwar?

I once thought like you. Bill changed my mind.

A couple of years ago, billvon explained to me that the ANWR is our biggest source of oil. Wouldn't we prefer to have that supply if the rest of the world dries up? When Arabia and Iran and Venezuela and Nigeria run out of oil, won't we be happy to have the rest of it to ourselves?

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[azdiver 0]

i think your mistaking my intent, the ? i posed was for actual insight,and not just toting a line type ?. his answer for being against it so far is only that he doesnt want it done in a refuge, would just like to know his reasoning that gives him that position. anwar has already been drilled into, the holes are there, so its not like the oil co. will be going all over it in search of oil, and clearing out portions of land all over the place, or destroy huge areas its a very small section of ground .

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[speedy 0]

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We are poised at the trailing edge of an era. We will soon see the end of cheap oil. It's happening now to a degree. We have two choices:

1) Follow the traditional path of "do nothing but drill until we're out." Make all solutions political ones. Attack environmentalists, give oil companies tax breaks, protect waste and stop innovation on new energy technologies.

2) Stop concentrating on getting the last million barrels out of the ground and start focusing on solutions that will get us past oil.

I think the US in general is getting a little sick of option 1). We can see where that's gotten us so far.

I am not sure if the US is getting sick of option 1 just yet. But everyone here should read what Bill has written above and take some time to really think about it.

Maybe looking at this will help.

Dave

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

It's been said for years: Until America struggles to pay for fossil fuels you won't see real alternatives pushed through. Why? Big business never wanted the changes to the infrastructure because they didn't know how to milk our money from it or how to get a better return on their investment.

Right now I'm paying the same amount for gas that I did a few years back because I carpool and split the gas costs. I'm also in the market for a very small, fuel efficient car that has some flexibility to it. Instead of bitching about it, I'm doing something about it. I will continue to make adjustments.

Drilling under our country for a few extra gallons of gas will not stop the demand from the East on other reserves. It's a stop gap that will last only a short period of time and will not resolve any problems. Where you are sitting back and demanding for this so you can maybe save $2/gallon at the pump, we are sitting here and looking back at what we warned 10, 15 and 20 years a go and saying "told you so." There would be no need for this conversation if us wacky leftist environmentalists didn't get laughed off the stage at the time.

Instead of trying to destroy our environment and spending billions trying to find the oil and building a new delivery infrastructure, the effort should be 100% focused on change. This will NEVER get any better. If something is done, this entire country will collapse.

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