rushmc 23 #1 May 22, 2008 Before I am flamed, can we see what they post for Clinton, Obama and McCain? That is what they say they are going to do. I will add the next link tomorrow and, if I get busy, will somebody please help me? I am looking forward to the opinions and perspectives of all 3 supporters. Was FOX fair? http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/21/trail-of-tall-tales-hillary-clinton/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 May 22, 2008 They're all politicians, aren't they? This'll be easy - binary solution set. Are their lips moving? If yes, they're lying.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 May 22, 2008 QuoteThey're all politicians, aren't they? This'll be easy - binary solution set. Are their lips moving? If yes, they're lying. Probably true. And, I agree but, .........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 May 22, 2008 Quote Was FOX fair? We'll know a lot more tomorrow. Will they promote the McCain whitewash about his membership in the Keating Five? Will they compare his 2000 campaign rhetoric with his 2008 version? And why is this Wed-Thur-Fri? Are they going to take some cheap shots at Obama right at the close of the week so no response can come till 3 days later? Hillary is easy. It's shooting fish in a barrel with a twin barrel 12ga. But were she a man in the 50s, I wonder how many of her tall tales she could get away with. Another tricky Dick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 May 22, 2008 http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/22/trail-of-tall-tales-john-mccain/ I have not read it yet"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #6 May 22, 2008 Fox should run a story on tall tales told by Fox News.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 May 22, 2008 Quote Fox should run a story on tall tales told by Fox News. As opposed to the honest truth of ABC/NBC/CBS, of course. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #8 May 22, 2008 Quote Quote Fox should run a story on tall tales told by Fox News. As opposed to the honest truth of ABC/NBC/CBS, of course. Fox chose to run a series on tall tales. I seem to remember a wise man once said to cast the beam out one's own eye before worrying about the mote in someone else's.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 May 23, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Fox should run a story on tall tales told by Fox News. As opposed to the honest truth of ABC/NBC/CBS, of course. Fox chose to run a series on tall tales. I seem to remember a wise man once said to cast the beam out one's own eye before worrying about the mote in someone else's. And your OPINION on the veracity of Fox's reportage is worth about as much as mine in regards to the rest of the networks..... .... except, of course, for those pesky Pew reports and such.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #10 May 23, 2008 QuoteWas FOX fair? Considering that many, if not most, of their Clinton examples stretch credulity w/r/t the untruth being inconsistent with the truth, yet only eight examples, of which seven were clearly lies, were given for McCain. Either FOX are going easy on McCain, or they are attempting to paint Clinton in a negative light. Either way, they are neither fair nor balanced.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 May 23, 2008 "Stretch credulity"? How, exactly, do the reported examples for Clinton 'stretch credulity', especially when they provide sources for the information? As for 'going easy on McCain', they are showing where he has lied about several issues that are, frankly, key issues for many Americans and very well may cause voters to change camps. I'd hardly call that "going easy on McCain" unless you think lying about issues is unimportant.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #12 May 23, 2008 A lot of politicians will lie to get themselves out of legal hot water when they are caught doing something. Bill Clinton lied about Monica, it kind of falls into those lines. Those are lies of necessity. Then Hillary does the politics-as-usual stuff. Chugging beers with the guys - the "regular guy look". Stating that she's always been a gun supporter since childhood. Election lies to tie her to group identities are part of the job. However, she almost gets into the scary stuff. That pathological liar thing where she can't tell the difference between reality and what she says. Hillary just blurts out stuff like Chelsea jogging, or her namesake, or the sniper fire in Bosnia. The truth is obvious and her statements are easily refutable. It's not like there is even a point. She just makes conversation by saying the most outrageous stuff. She needs therapy or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #13 May 23, 2008 Quote"Stretch credulity"? How, exactly, do the reported examples for Clinton 'stretch credulity', especially when they provide sources for the information? As for 'going easy on McCain', they are showing where he has lied about several issues that are, frankly, key issues for many Americans and very well may cause voters to change camps. I'd hardly call that "going easy on McCain" unless you think lying about issues is unimportant. The truth and untruth quotes in number 2 are not contradictory. She didn't claim that her vote would not potentially lead to war. Number 4 indicates that Williams obtained possession of the documents, not that she removed them. Number 5 considers calling the administrations policy in Iraq an "open ended commitment" a criticism. I don't think even the President would argue his policy is not open ended. It's hardly a critical statement. Number 6 relies on the difference between her pulling together a meeting and the US Embassy arranging it. It offers no indication regarding why or at whose instigation they arranged it. The non-truth and truth in number 7 aren't contradictory. Hillary didn't claim Chelsea was jogging when the attacks occurred. Most joggers I know don't wait until mid-morning to go jog. In number eight she's guilty only of taking a police officer at his word. Number 11 completely disregards twenty percent of the Guardsman and Reservists that didn't have access to coverage without her and Graham's help. Number 12 is purely semantical interpretation. "Solidified his support" doesn't mean initiated his support. Making one's support public could reasonably be considered solidifying one's support. Fox doesn't offer any reason why Kennedy chose that time to make his support public. I readily admit, I didn't check the primary data. That FOX didn't use logical contradictions in the article is a sign of either 1) such logical contradictions not existing or 2) The contradictions actually exist but the journalist wasn't smart enough to understand their importance w/r/t backing up the journalists claims. Either way it's an example of shoddy journalism.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 May 23, 2008 you're reaching further than you excuse Fox of doing in this series. Esp on #11. McCain's were reasonable true items, though not much weighting given to the significance - esp McCain's lack of economic prowess. As much of a liar as Hillary has proven to be, that character flaw bothers me less than another President that only understands foreign bluster. Tomorrow's will tell the tale. I think we're going to see some top grade BS for the Obama report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 May 23, 2008 Quote Fox should run a story on tall tales told by Fox News. I will make a note then thay you disagree with Howard Dean who says Fox News has been the most fair the political season. (in context however he did not like any of them)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 May 23, 2008 Let the fun begin! http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/23/trail-of-tall-tales-barack-obama/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 May 23, 2008 the series was a non-event to me. Does anybody think one of them got treated differently?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
