Homosexuality and God

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Sometimes you cant see yourself clearly unless your reflected in the eyes of others. Now, I see myself more clearly in this regard (the morality of homosexuality). I have been praying for quite some time on this very topic. It is a divider between those who live for God and those who dont, and though you may not see it in my posts concerning this matter, I care deeply about both. I make it a point usually to not get involved with politics and the way the world is inevitably going, but this very topic has to do with the heart more than anything, so I cant really ignore it.

I am a hypocrite. I dont believe that homosexuality is immoral. I am actually quite liberal in my ideas and thoughts, more liberal than most of you might imagine. I am many things that I dont like and fewer things I do. However, I dont exist anymore, I live for Jesus and it is what Jesus leads me to do that I desire to do. I seek the Righteousness of God with all my heart, and that is where I found this truth in regards to the immorality of homosexuality.

When it comes to the Righteousness of God, homosexuality is no more immoral than lying, in fact, lying would be a greater offense to God. Which is exactly what I was doing by telling you all that I personally believe homosexuality to be immoral, when that is far from the truth. I cant speak for God, Jesus does that. For me, my sole desire is to attain to the fullness of the Righteousness of God, and it is foolish for me to think that others would find the same joys that I have found in that. How fast I can forget that it is purely a gift, in which I did nothing to deserve and everything to not deserve. Fighting for the Righteousness of God goes against the Righteousness of God, as who has that right but Jesus?

You have to understand that people who fear God, Fear him deeply as that alone is a gift as well, inspired by God himself...we dont want to be seperated from him again. It would be like you saying something against your own child to the world, we dont want to hurt what loves us most...this goes beyond the fear of hell. There is a sensativity to the spirit, and when we seek peace, it is clear when that sensativity is disturbed. I believe Jesus considered that disturbance to be a "prison". With everything that I know about darkness, slavery, and none of us being good, calling myself a hypocrite many times, I cant believe I let myself be decieved by the very thing I preach most against. I owe each and every one of you an apology, especially the homosexuals who were surely offended by my hypocritical and offensive opinions. I hope you will forgive me for my blindness in this regard.

I am sure many of you will request scripture, and I can definityely do that, but it will take some time.

"We didn't start the fire"

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Thanks for that post. I'm truly happy for you to have found what is so vital for your life. And thanks for letting the rest of us off the hook :)

Peace~
linz

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Thanks for that post. I'm truly happy for you to have found what is so vital for your life. And thanks for letting the rest of us off the hook :)

Peace~
linz

I believe I put everyone on the hook, and put myself on more of it for my hypocrisy

"We didn't start the fire"

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How do you feel about the rest of thosw scriptures that demand people be killed for other offences. Think Leviticus.

And Jesus himself.. not a word about homosexuality.

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/7608/jesus.htm

What did Jesus have to say about the issue of homosexuality? He said nothing specifically. He did, however, have much to say about issues of the heart, and about morality.

The Hebrew testament forbids homogenitality for purity reasons, male-male sex makes one unclean because it breaks a religious taboo... it associates one with the Canaanites. The hebrew scriptures also list other purity requirements, like washing at prescribed times or not eating certain foods.. example: circumcision... made a person a Jew... qualified them, but no one thought that God rejected the uncircumcised. The purity requirements of the Jewish law were part of being a Jew, they were not necesarily part of being a good person, just and righteous before God. Jesus was clear that being a good person and keeping the requirements of the Jewish law were not the same things, one of the reasons that he was killed was that he challenged the real importance of the law.

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How do you feel about the rest of thosw scriptures that demand people be killed for other offences. Think Leviticus.

And Jesus himself.. not a word about homosexuality.

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/7608/jesus.htm

What did Jesus have to say about the issue of homosexuality? He said nothing specifically. He did, however, have much to say about issues of the heart, and about morality.

The Hebrew testament forbids homogenitality for purity reasons, male-male sex makes one unclean because it breaks a religious taboo... it associates one with the Canaanites. The hebrew scriptures also list other purity requirements, like washing at prescribed times or not eating certain foods.. example: circumcision... made a person a Jew... qualified them, but no one thought that God rejected the uncircumcised. The purity requirements of the Jewish law were part of being a Jew, they were not necesarily part of being a good person, just and righteous before God. Jesus was clear that being a good person and keeping the requirements of the Jewish law were not the same things, one of the reasons that he was killed was that he challenged the real importance of the law.

Your not going to like what I have to say.

Jesus brought the Gospel of God. This condemns everyone in their sin...everyone. He specifically said many many times that all must repent or perish, this is the final judgement on sin, it literally is life and death. There are those who will not repent, those are the ones who do not belong to God, because they dont live by the truth. All those unrepentant hearts will not find life and instead will find condemnation and judgement. Those who believe Jesus is the savior, have already recieved their judgement and condemnation, but have been set free by grace (Gods immeasurable love) and Truth. This is the salvation of God, the peace of reconciliation. What isnt as obvious at the time is the actual life that is recieved. It is clearly undeniable...its like the heart is filled with poetry. The life brings with it a desire to sustain and persevere into the fullness of that life, which is the Righteousness of God. That was never attainable without his love. Jesus gave us that on the cross. The work of the Cross is spectacular in so many ways...Victory sums it up quite nicley

Jesus demanded that his disciples not kill, instead told us that we would be killed becasue we stand with him. How do I feel about it? It is wrong because I dont have the right. It is like an evil man killing an evil man. You have to see what the world is first. Picture a raging fire. Now a stream of water comes to put it out, only what the stream touches is turned to steam and sent out of the fire.

Your right. He said nothing about homosexuality, in fact, the new testament only mentions it one time in Romans. I agree with Paul. He made a judgement and said that those who abandon natural relationships for unatural relationships recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

There is something powerful about the conscience that cant be denied. When our conscience says this isnt right, and we deny it, we recieve guilt. All those who live for Jesus, desire his righteousness, the guilt is seen not as bad, but as extrememly good...but that is only becasue through repentance and grace that guilt is removed, and through that, a desire is found (that I didnt see before) to continue to pursue the Righteousness of God as the greatest gift and not as a burden as it appears to look like from those who have not felt the life in it.

Dont give up on me. I do write alot, but I promise I will answer your questions. Jesus challenged hypocrisy, he fulfilled the law with his own blood, and in doing so established a new law...love one another as I have loved you. This did my no means negate the only way to Salvation in him is through repentance and acceptance of his blood for our sin

"We didn't start the fire"

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Your right. He said nothing about homosexuality, in fact, the new testament only mentions it one time in Romans. I agree with Paul. He made a judgement and said that those who abandon natural relationships for unatural relationships recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. There is something powerful about the conscience that cant be denied. When our conscience says this isnt right, and we deny it, we recieve guilt.

Yup.. so instead of listening to what the LORD said, we have to rely on what a first century man who had his own personal preduidices toward very common practices of his time. Paul never even met Jesus in his lifetime...but he did found a church that has an interesting hypocrisy concerning its clergy and some of their propensities towards other men and boys.

You can feel all the guilt you want for whatever experiences in life you may have had.. but that is all about what you were taught. Transposing your guilt onto others is not what Jesus taught. I know plenty of gays who are not guilty at all in their own lives yet have to deal with the guilt of others who guide the hatred toward them.

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Your right. He said nothing about homosexuality, in fact, the new testament only mentions it one time in Romans. I agree with Paul. He made a judgement and said that those who abandon natural relationships for unatural relationships recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. There is something powerful about the conscience that cant be denied. When our conscience says this isnt right, and we deny it, we recieve guilt.

Yup.. so instead of listening to what the LORD said, we have to rely on what a first century man who had his own personal preduidices toward very common practices of his time. Paul never even met Jesus in his lifetime...but he did found a church that has an interesting hypocrisy concerning its clergy and some of their propensities towards other men and boys.

You can feel all the guilt you want for whatever experiences in life you may have had.. but that is all about what you were taught. Transposing your guilt onto others is not what Jesus taught. I know plenty of gays who are not guilty at all in their own lives yet have to deal with the guilt of others who guide the hatred toward them.

What you are saying is interesting, did you see any hatred in my origianal post? I dont believe I was transposing my guilt to anyone. I believe I was telling you exactly what Jesus said. Just because someone has no guilt for something, does not mean they are not guilty. This is the very thing that the Pharisees could not see.... Look...

39Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."

40Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"

41Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

"We didn't start the fire"

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***Dont give up on me. I do write alot, but I promise I will answer your questions. [/quote

I've noticed a trend. You have mentioned that you will answer more / write more / answer questions in more than one post.... and you've never been asked to write more / answer more...etc. And you never expand / write more, etc. You tack off..

You promise to answer questions no one has asked (and maybe even no one cares about)

Take stock. Maybe you're hoping to answer your own questions and doubts and nothing is working, eh?

Owned by Remi #?

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I think the world would go around just fine if people just understood one thing; it doesn't matter unless you intend to have sex with the person.

If you're not going to have sex with the person, how can it possibly matter what the orientation of the other person is?

So, with that in mind, if people could just shut their pie hole and keep their bigoted opinions to themselves, we'll all get along better.

quade -
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***Dont give up on me. I do write alot, but I promise I will answer your questions. [/quote

I've noticed a trend. You have mentioned that you will answer more / write more / answer questions in more than one post.... and you've never been asked to write more / answer more...etc. And you never expand / write more, etc. You tack off..

You promise to answer questions no one has asked (and maybe even no one cares about)

Take stock. Maybe you're hoping to answer your own questions and doubts and nothing is working, eh?

Your right, thats it.

"We didn't start the fire"

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I think the world would go around just fine if people just understood one thing; it doesn't matter unless you intend to have sex with the person.

I've waited in a couple of ERs with friends who were not permitted to go into a partners room to be with them.... and I've not been the least bit interested in having sex with either one of them. And IT FUCKING MATTERED what was happening and how they felt at the time.

I've watched friends move out of homes they've shared with partners for 20 years after their SO has passed away because they have no legal right to stay if the SO's family fights a will. No sex involved... so I shouldn't give a shit?

That's bullshit, Quade

Owned by Remi #?

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That's bullshit, Quade

Awesome way to twist a meaning. I congratulate you on your efforts to completely miss a point.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Hey, sorry but I accidentally hit delete to a post of yours in this thread. Meant to hit quote and they're right next to each other.

My bad.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Awesome way to twist a meaning. I congratulate you on your efforts to completely miss a point.

Please expand. I had no intention to twist your meaning. If you meant to be subtle I missed it and it didn't take much effort

Owned by Remi #?

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I've waited in a couple of ERs with friends who were not permitted to go into a partners room to be with them....

The fact they were a same sex couple should not have mattered in the hospital policy. Same goes for the home. The fact they were same sex should not have mattered.

The only reason it did matter is because somebody has their priorities screwed up and seems to think that what other people do behind closed doors is somehow their business.

This is the gist of my point. Unless you personally are going to be sexually active with another person . . . it doesn't matter and ALL people should be treated the same.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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The fact they were a same sex couple should not have mattered in the hospital policy. Same goes for the home. The fact they were same sex should not have mattered.

The only reason it did matter is because somebody has their priorities screwed up and seems to think that what other people do in behind closed doors is somehow their business.

This is the gist of my point. Unless you personally are going to be sexually active with another person . . . it doesn't matter and ALL people should be treated the same.

I did not understand your original post then. I see your point now and I do agree with you.

Owned by Remi #?

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Hey, sorry but I accidentally hit delete to a post of yours in this thread. Meant to hit quote and they're right next to each other.

My bad.

No worries!

"We didn't start the fire"

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How much did he pay? Was it tax deductable?

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How much did he pay? Was it tax deductable?

BROUGHT not bought, you illiterate pommie git

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Whoops - Oh Yeah

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I've waited in a couple of ERs with friends who were not permitted to go into a partners room to be with them....

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The fact they were a same sex couple should not have mattered in the hospital policy. Same goes for the home. The fact they were same sex should not have mattered.

The only reason it did matter is because somebody has their priorities screwed up and seems to think that what other people do behind closed doors is somehow their business.

This is the gist of my point. Unless you personally are going to be sexually active with another person . . . it doesn't matter and ALL people should be treated the same.

Are you ready for a shocker Quade? I agree with this post.

I've never denied my belief in the true (not cafeteria style) teachings of the Catholic Church within these forums. What I believe is that God is the only judge. He knows our culpability when it comes to sinful actions. When I die and come face to face with God for my final judgment, I will have to answer for my own actions, not the actions of anyone else.

I believe it to be inhumane to deny a same-sex partner access to the room of their seriously ill or dying partner.

Even though the Catholic Church condemns homosexual acts, we have a free will and that was a gift given to us by God.

There is a phrase I've been taught: 'Love the sinner, hate the sin'. Once again, no one can determine the culpability of another's sins. When I say 'Love the sinner', that means love everyone as none of us are perfect and sinless. When I say 'Hate the sin', it is referring to the act in and of itself.

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I am sure many of you will request scripture, and I can definityely do that, but it will take some time.

I have reliable sources telling me that god is a lesbian.

Cheers, T

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I am sure many of you will request scripture, and I can definityely do that, but it will take some time.

I have reliable sources telling me that god is a lesbian.

Cheers, T

I think you misunderstood....Lebanese. That's how rumors get started you know.

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When I say 'Love the sinner', that means love everyone as none of us are perfect and sinless. When I say 'Hate the sin', it is referring to the act in and of itself

So what do you call a good ole "straight boy" who wants to have butt secks with a woman..... if two guys are going down the hershey highway and that is an abominable sin that you hate... how is that different for those who wish to traverse the same highway with a woman

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Which is exactly what I was doing by telling you all that I personally believe homosexuality to be immoral, when that is far from the truth. I cant speak for God, Jesus does that.

But Jesus did not tell anyone directly that homosexuality was immoral. It is YOUR own interpretation; let's be clear about it.

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