Obama facing strong racism

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and are we being racist ourselves if we assume the voters' motives are all about race?

I don't think it's ALL about race, but percentages like that are pretty curious to me...

Almost 80% of Catholics voted for JFK in 1960. Would you assume that they did so out of prejudice against non-Catholics?

There's a different dynamic when people of an ethnic, gender, or religious group want to vote for someone that would be a first for their group. Skydivers understand and celebrate the importance of firsts. I suggest that a lot of the skewed percentage of black vote towards Obama should be looked at in that light rather than as a form of prejudice.

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So how do you classify those who need to be told over and over that local taxes are taxes?

Nonexistent, as it was never germane to the topic.

Since you appear not to have noticed, this is an Internet forum; Roberts Rules don't apply.

So why on earth would you try to introduce them here?

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So how do you classify those who need to be told over and over that local taxes are taxes?

Nonexistent, as it was never germane to the topic.

Since you appear not to have noticed, this is an Internet forum; Roberts Rules don't apply.

So why on earth would you try to introduce them here?

A response in the best tradition of rushmc and his mirror.

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Source for this? and is this a percentage of all black voters, or a percentage of black registered Democrats?

Google "percentage of black votes for obama" and you'll see a wide variety of articles on the subject. At this stage, since there hasn't been a general election... unless they're just polls, it's from the dem primaries.

Does that make any difference?

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Source for this? and is this a percentage of all black voters, or a percentage of black registered Democrats?

Google "percentage of black votes for obama" and you'll see a wide variety of articles on the subject. At this stage, since there hasn't been a general election... unless they're just polls, it's from the dem primaries.

Does that make any difference?

Well, yes it does: Most states have closed primaries: you have to be registered as a party member in order to vote for that party's candidate. And not all black voters are registered Democrats.

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I would never vote for someone only because he was white. Any way I look at it, it's someone putting race above all else.

Accepting your personal assertion as true -- and I don't really see any reason not to -- why do you doubt anyone else sees it any differently (white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, etc)? What is special or different about you and by extention other folks who vote like you that you see such choices as being based on politics and others as not?


This is a few months old, but presents some insightful numbers & trends:

"In a national survey by CNN/Opinion Research Corp., 59 percent of black Democrats backed Obama, an Illinois Democrat, for their party's presidential nomination, with 31 percent supporting Clinton, the senator from New York.

59% or just over half. How does that compare with overall delgates? Pretty darn close. (And the Democratic party appropriates delegates -- other than the "Superdelegates" -- proportionally).

One might conclude that when an instance when 70-80% of some definable electrorate goes to Sen Obama occurs you hear about it. When it doesn't, you don't.

For example, do you have any citable stats on how that distribution is for white Republicans and candidates? It's likely to be 98%+ both because of the racial distribution of the candidates and because it's perceived as a non-issue.

"The 28 point lead for Obama is a major reversal from October, when Clinton held a 24 point lead among black Democrats."

So at one point more black Democrats supported Sen Clinton -- by 24 points. As Sen Obama's popularity has risen among Democrats, so as his support among black Democrats.


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Well, yes it does: Most states have closed primaries: you have to be registered as a party member in order to vote for that party's candidate. And not all black voters are registered Democrats.

So then the stats are meaningless? That's all we have to go on at this point and that is what my question was based on.

If we keep going this way, people won't be satisfied until polls include absolutely everyone or else they'll be called invalid.

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So then the stats are meaningless?

what stats?

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Accepting your personal assertion as true -- and I don't really see any reason not to -- why do you doubt anyone else sees it any differently (white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, etc)? What is special or different about you and by extention other folks who vote like you that you see such choices as being based on politics and others as not?

Well, for one... the numbers I've seen made me ask the question. That was reason enough to wonder if people were indeed different. Also since this would be the first time a black candidate is so close to the presidency, it's the first time race has really been an issue.

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This is a few months old, but presents some insightful numbers & trends:

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Also, in that very article something important to note...
"Obama's lead over Clinton among black men is more than 50 points, and among black women, once a Clinton stronghold, Obama has an 11 point advantage."

And in other articles just in that google search, the numbers are more skewed towards Obama.

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One might conclude that when an instance when 70-80% of some definable electrorate goes to Sen Obama occurs you hear about it. When it doesn't, you don't.

Well, yeah, because it seems that people find that pretty interesting/curious. I do. Made me ask the original question... which, btw did NOT mention Obama or any specific race.

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For example, do you have any citable stats on how that distribution is for white Republicans and candidates? It's likely to be 98%+ both because of the racial distribution of the candidates and because it's perceived as a non-issue.

It is a non-issue because there isn't a racially split pair up for nomination yet. I'd be just as curious if there was.

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what stats?

Again, Google "percentage of black votes for obama" or something like it for an example.

I'll remind you that I didn't ask my question about any specific candidate or race, it was a general question that I though of since we have a party with a racial split among the nominees.

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>my answer to your question is yes.

Then you would be incorrect. 99.99% of voters in the US who have voted for a US president have voted for a white one, proving that whites are not only electable, but indeed electable by massive majorities. Saying that 30% of voters will not vote for a white candidate is unsupportable, since nearly all voters have voted for them in the past.

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>my answer to your question is yes.

Then you would be incorrect. 99.99% of voters in the US who have voted for a US president have voted for a white one, proving that whites are not only electable, but indeed electable by massive majorities. Saying that 30% of voters will not vote for a white candidate is unsupportable, since nearly all voters have voted for them in the past.

Bull - there was never a choice of a black candidate before, so your point cannot be proven.

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I don't think anybody's point in this thread can be proven. Conjecture dominates.

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I don't think anybody's point in this thread can be proven. Conjecture dominates.

True - it's all guessowrk at this point.

Mike
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I don't think anybody's point in this thread can be proven. Conjecture dominates.

True - it's all guessowrk at this point.

As in many threads on this site

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>my answer to your question is yes.

Then you would be incorrect. 99.99% of voters in the US who have voted for a US president have voted for a white one, proving that whites are not only electable, but indeed electable by massive majorities. Saying that 30% of voters will not vote for a white candidate is unsupportable, since nearly all voters have voted for them in the past.

Bull - there was never a choice of a black candidate before, so your point cannot be proven.

didn't Jesse Jackson run for president during the '80s?

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Bull - there was never a choice of a black candidate before, so your point cannot be proven.

didn't Jesse Jackson run for president during the '80s?

Yes, in 1984 and 1988, but he didn't get the nomination.

In 1984, the Democratic candidate was Mondale, in 1988 the candidate was Dukakis.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Yes he did

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/15/a-look-at-other-black-presidential-candidates-before-obama.html


Shirley Chisholm. A New York teacher elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, Chisholm unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 1972. She did get the most convention votes for a female candidate in U.S. history.

Jesse Jackson. Jackson campaigned for the Democratic nomination twice, in 1984 and 1988. These runs secured his place as the pre-eminent black American leader of the era.

Lenora Fulani. In 1988, Fulani—a psychologist—ran as an independent and was the first black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states. She also ran in 1992.

Alan Keyes. Having served in the Reagan administration, Keyes campaigned for the Republican nomination in 1996 and 2000 (and also lost to Barack Obama in their race for a Senate seat in 2004).

Carol Moseley Braun. A U.S. senator, Moseley Braun briefly sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004.

Al Sharpton. In 2004, this New York-based activist campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination.