Trent 0 #126 May 24, 2008 I hate starting threads really, but I just wanted to throw the question out there.... Is it racism when a candidate of a certain race gets 70%-90% of the votes from people of his/her same race? Coincidence? He/She is just THAT in tune with them? What would you call it?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #127 May 24, 2008 QuoteI hate starting threads really, but I just wanted to throw the question out there.... Is it racism when a candidate of a certain race gets 70%-90% of the votes from people of his/her same race? Coincidence? He/She is just THAT in tune with them? What would you call it? I love this.. from one of the group who has done exactly the same for centuries...its so funny when the worm has turned and now you guys see the inherent racism that is and always has been rampant in this country. The chickens done come home to roost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #128 May 24, 2008 Quote I love this.. from one of the group who has done exactly the same for centuries...its so funny when the worm has turned and now you guys see the inherent racism that is and always has been rampant in this country. The chickens done come home to roost. That's a pretty stupid comeback. What candidates this close to a nomination previously have been non-white? If we're talking about Obama, I bet there are more non-black voters voting for him than there are black voters voting for the opposition. Racism, yeah. You're right.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #129 May 24, 2008 You asked a self serving question based on how your feel about race... just like a lot of others who feel the same way have responded and tried to paint a false picture... it was not the answer you were looking for. Do I think he is racist... no Do I think many of the people voting for him because they are black .. and racist... yes... Do I think a hell of a lot of white voters will not be voting for him because they are racist... absolutely. What type of cheese would you good old boys like with all this whine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #130 May 24, 2008 And, of course, all those women are voting for Hillary JUST because she's the best choice, I'm sure.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #131 May 24, 2008 I see a lot of talk about people who DON'T vote for him being racist. I see the title of this thread saying how HE is facing racism. Well, I can bet that he's getting more of the black vote than hillary is getting of the white vote. Why is that? Is it because white people are so damned racist? I just see more about how whitey is a racist when there's pretty strong evidence that it's worse from the other side in this case. I never said Obama was a racist. I don't know him well enough. (Does anyone really?) I'm not whining, I'm laughing at all the bullshit constantly flowing from your dem friends.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #132 May 24, 2008 >I just see more about how whitey is a racist when there's pretty strong >evidence that it's worse from the other side in this case. I've known Whitey for years, and while he is somewhat - provincial - in his views, I wouldn't call him racist! Obama is indeed facing racism. Clinton is facing sexism. McCain is facing a bit of both, but to a much lesser degree, since the US has been electing white males to positions of power for centuries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #133 May 24, 2008 Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #134 May 24, 2008 You need to ask Farrkahn about Whitey. I bet he'd say differently. Maybe you guys met two different people? I just want to clear it up though... so if I vote for McCain, I'm a racist since we always elect white guys. If I vote for Obama or Hilary, I'm being progressive since they're not white guys. Did I get that right?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #135 May 24, 2008 Did you exepct anything less in SC? Is racism affecting his bid? Of course it is. There are racist voters that will vote for Sen Obama merely because he is black. This group has been cultivated by racists such as Al $harpton, Je$$e Jack$on, and that anti-Semitic bastard Farrakhan. Part of that cultivation is to ensure that said group remains racist in nature. However, that block of voters has always been firmly entrenched with the Democrats. On the other hand, there is a group of racist voters that will vote against Sen Obama merely because he is black. Much smaller in size, I would guestimate, but definitely there. These are the former KKK members and dumbfucks of that nature. Growing up in the South I knew some of these idiots - they're about evenly split normally between Democrats and Republicans on other issues, though the left denies it completely. Uneducated people who have no issues being reliant upon government are the subset of that group that leans left. The uneducated gun lovers and religious fanatics are a subset of that group that leans right - though one wonders how you can be religious and racist without knowing you're a hypocrite. Topic for another thread. Sen Obama, to his credit, seems to have avoided making his race an issue overtly. Smart move for him, as the racists that would have him do so are going to vote for him anyway. The Republicans could capitalize on this for the long term if they desired, with little detrimental effect to their campaign. Race will come up - if not from Obama himself, then from the usual suspects ($harpton, Jack$on, Farrakhan). Instead of ignoring those idiots, the Republicans should take them head on. Point out publicly that anyone who supports race based affirmative action and cannot also proclaim their support of racial discrimination is a coward, unworthy of being heard when discussing racial issues. True statement. The key for them is to do that publicly and as loudly - no louder - than the epithets thrown at them. Point out that those throwing such epithets are cowards who run from facts, cowards who cannot even state what they support and that if they run from facts they have no business in office. The racists that will vote for Senator Obama will be going to the polls in droves anyway. They're stoked to have a candidate of a certain race for the first time. They will never vote for a Republican candidate - ever. The right cannot hurt themselves by taking this route. By doing so they target swing voters who find racial discrimination disgusting enough to swing them to the right - in the short term, and take away (if they don't back down from the idiots and keep the argument strong and loud) a major and critical tool the left uses against them in every election to great effect. Does race have an effect - a slight one. It will influence certain groups of voters by increasing their desire to get to the polls. However their voting proclivities have been in place for some time, for the most part, and those will not change because of the race of either candidate. How the Republican party will react to the race card in this election will determine how much of an effect it will have, I believe. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #136 May 24, 2008 > You need to ask Farrkahn about Whitey. I bet he'd say differently. Perhaps. I didn't know Whitey knew Farrakhan. >so if I vote for McCain, I'm a racist since we always elect white guys. Nope. >If I vote for Obama or Hilary, I'm being progressive since they're not white >guys. Did I get that right? Nope. Not even close. However, I do hear that there is an excellent candidate made of straw . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #137 May 24, 2008 QuotePerhaps. I didn't know Whitey knew Farrakhan. He seems to. QuoteNope. Not even close. However, I do hear that there is an excellent candidate made of straw . . . That's your favorite candidate!! What's his name again? Would you think there's more black people voting for Obama because he's black than white people voting against him because he's black? Be honest.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #138 May 24, 2008 >He seems to. I'll ask him next time I see him and report straight back here. >Would you think there's more black people voting for Obama because >he's black than white people voting against him because he's black? I suspect there are more white people voting against him because he's black based purely on demographics. Blacks make up 12%, whites 74% of the population. Therefore _any_ trend affecting whites is going to generally swamp out (in pure numbers) any trend affecting blacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #139 May 24, 2008 QuoteQuotePerhaps. I didn't know Whitey knew Farrakhan. He seems to. QuoteNope. Not even close. However, I do hear that there is an excellent candidate made of straw . . . That's your favorite candidate!! What's his name again? Would you think there's more black people voting for Obama because he's black than white people voting against him because he's black? Be honest. Here's my take FWIW. You're right, there are more black people voting for Obama because he's black than whites voting against him because he's black. It's definitely true on a percentage basis. I believe it's also true on an absolute basis as well. However, There are more black people voting for Obama because he's black than black people voting against Hillary or McCain because they're white. There are more white people voting against Obama because he's black than black people voting against Hillary or McCain because they're white. I think when you're talking about racism, there is a difference between voting for someone because of their color and voting against someone because of color. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #140 May 24, 2008 QuoteI think when you're talk about racism, there is a difference between voting for someone because of their color and someone voting against someone because of color. I don't. I would never vote for someone only because he was white. Any way I look at it, it's someone putting race above all else. And for bill, while the numbers may be different, I'd tend to think the percentages are more important since you're comparing to different sized groups.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #141 May 24, 2008 >And for bill, while the numbers may be different, I'd tend to think >the percentages are more important since you're comparing to different >sized groups. That may well be - but you asked about numbers, not percentages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #142 May 24, 2008 I will be more specific next time so we can avoid any confusion.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #143 May 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteI think when you're talk about racism, there is a difference between voting for someone because of their color and someone voting against someone because of color. I don't. I would never vote for someone only because he was white. Any way I look at it, it's someone putting race above all else. It's not a comparable situation because every president we've ever had has been white. In fact, every one has been a white man. A better comparison would be a woman who votes for Hillary simply because she's a woman and we've never had a woman before. Would you say that exhibits the same level of sexism as a man who would never vote for any woman simply because of her gender? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #144 May 25, 2008 > I will be more specific next time so we can avoid any confusion. OK, let's switch to percentages on a slightly different tack: A recent Newsweek poll showed that 30% of eligible voters thought that Obama was not electable because he was black. Do you think there are 30% of eligible voters who think McCain is not electable because he is white? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #145 May 25, 2008 The apple and orange here is so obvious it's not even funny... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #146 May 25, 2008 QuoteA recent Newsweek poll showed that 30% of eligible voters thought that Obama was not electable because he was black. Do you think there are 30% of eligible voters who think McCain is not electable because he is white? There are lies, then there are polls. But let's have more fun. Since Obama seems to get 70 to 90% of the black vote.... my answer to your question is yes. There just might be some people who will, under no circumstances, vote for McCain because he's white. That would make him unelectable to them, wouldn't it?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #147 May 25, 2008 Crazy thought here: Is it possible that many voters, black or white or whatever, are voting for Obama, not because of race or to be "progressive", but because THEY ACTUALLY THINK HE'S THE BEST CANDIDATE? and are we being racist ourselves if we assume the voters' motives are all about race? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #148 May 25, 2008 QuoteIs it possible that many voters, black or white or whatever, are voting for Obama, not because of race or to be "progressive", but because THEY ACTUALLY THINK HE'S THE BEST CANDIDATE? Yes, however, it DOES seem unlikely when you see percentages of black voters going to Obama in the 70s to 90s. What would you say if it were Obama v. McCain and 90% of white people voted for McCain? Would you say that it was JUST because they really really thought he was the best candidate? Really? Quoteand are we being racist ourselves if we assume the voters' motives are all about race? I don't think it's ALL about race, but percentages like that are pretty curious to me...Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #149 May 25, 2008 QuoteYes, however, it DOES seem unlikely when you see percentages of black voters going to Obama in the 70s to 90s. Source for this? and is this a percentage of all black voters, or a percentage of black registered Democrats? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #150 May 25, 2008 Quote Quote So how do you classify those who need to be told over and over that local taxes are taxes? Nonexistent, as it was never germane to the topic. Since you appear not to have noticed, this is an Internet forum; Roberts Rules don't apply.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
