billvon 3,120 #101 May 21, 2008 >But this isn't the tax system, this is city policians making a deal. Agreed. However, it is the tax system that allows a city to pay for such deals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #102 May 21, 2008 Quote>But this isn't the tax system, this is city policians making a deal. Agreed. However, it is the tax system that allows a city to pay for such deals. How do you figure that? Local sales tax != income taxMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #103 May 22, 2008 QuoteQuote>But this isn't the tax system, this is city policians making a deal. Agreed. However, it is the tax system that allows a city to pay for such deals. How do you figure that? Local sales tax != income tax Tax = Tax You DO understand the concept of taxes, right? Allowing Joe Ballfan to pay his sales taxes into the coffers of George W. Richguy IS the tax system favoring the ultrarich.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #104 May 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote>But this isn't the tax system, this is city policians making a deal. Agreed. However, it is the tax system that allows a city to pay for such deals. How do you figure that? Local sales tax != income tax Tax = Tax You DO understand the concept of taxes, right? Allowing Joe Ballfan to pay his sales taxes into the coffers of George W. Richguy IS the tax system favoring the ultrarich. Bullshit. It's a deal between a business owner and a city....not something encoded into tax law.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #105 May 22, 2008 >It's a deal between a business owner and a city....not something encoded into tax law. And do you think the money to build the facilities comes from: a) the personal bank account of the city manager or b) taxes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #106 May 22, 2008 Quote>It's a deal between a business owner and a city....not something encoded into tax law. And do you think the money to build the facilities comes from: a) the personal bank account of the city manager or b) taxes? Do YOU think that a local sales tax increase is encoded into Federal tax law? Note the bolded above, please... LOCAL SALES TAX, not federal or state income tax....hence my statement that it is a BUSINESS deal, not a tax law issue.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #107 May 22, 2008 QuoteQuote>It's a deal between a business owner and a city....not something encoded into tax law. And do you think the money to build the facilities comes from: a) the personal bank account of the city manager or b) taxes? Do YOU think that a local sales tax increase is encoded into Federal tax law? Note the bolded above, please... LOCAL SALES TAX, not federal or state income tax....hence my statement that it is a BUSINESS deal, not a tax law issue. Repeating: Tax = Tax It doesn't matter who is doing the taxing. The concept is REALLY simple to comprehend.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #108 May 22, 2008 Every tax system will allow cities to make deals with businesses, so saying these are examples allowed by the current tax system is as meaningless as saying every action made by government is political. The cities didn't make these deals thinking they were giving away money - they were hoping to net money in the process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #109 May 23, 2008 QuoteEvery tax system will allow cities to make deals with businesses, so saying these are examples allowed by the current tax system is as meaningless as saying every action made by government is political. The cities didn't make these deals thinking they were giving away money - they were hoping to net money in the process. You are making distinctions where there are none to be made. Federal Tax = Tax State Tax = Tax Local Tax = Tax Income Tax = Tax Sales Tax = Tax Capital Gains Tax = Tax AMT = Tax Excise Tax = Tax Service Tax = Tax Entertainment Tax = Tax Seat Tax = Tax Any other tax = Tax... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #110 May 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteEvery tax system will allow cities to make deals with businesses, so saying these are examples allowed by the current tax system is as meaningless as saying every action made by government is political. The cities didn't make these deals thinking they were giving away money - they were hoping to net money in the process. You are making distinctions where there are none to be made. Federal Tax = Tax State Tax = Tax Local Tax = Tax Income Tax = Tax Sales Tax = Tax Capital Gains Tax = Tax AMT = Tax Excise Tax = Tax Service Tax = Tax Entertainment Tax = Tax Seat Tax = Tax Any other tax = Tax And you have stated many time we do not pay enough tax. Go figure"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #111 May 23, 2008 and the relevance to the topic? To help out, the topic is how the tax system favors the wealthy, as shown by these deals with pro sports owners and walmart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #112 May 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteEvery tax system will allow cities to make deals with businesses, so saying these are examples allowed by the current tax system is as meaningless as saying every action made by government is political. The cities didn't make these deals thinking they were giving away money - they were hoping to net money in the process. You are making distinctions where there are none to be made. Federal Tax = Tax State Tax = Tax Local Tax = Tax Income Tax = Tax Sales Tax = Tax Capital Gains Tax = Tax AMT = Tax Excise Tax = Tax Service Tax = Tax Entertainment Tax = Tax Seat Tax = Tax Any other tax = Tax And you have stated many time we do not pay enough tax. Go figure The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.55Billion per day since September 28, 2007 "it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant", President George Washington... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #113 May 23, 2008 Quoteand the relevance to the topic? To help out, the topic is how the tax system favors the wealthy, as shown by these deals with pro sports owners and walmart. If you CHOOSE to believe that local taxes are not taxes, you obviously will not see the relevance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #114 May 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteand the relevance to the topic? To help out, the topic is how the tax system favors the wealthy, as shown by these deals with pro sports owners and walmart. If you CHOOSE to believe that local taxes are not taxes, you obviously will not see the relevance. And if you CHOOSE to believe that a temporary, LOCAL tax that was VOTED in by the citizens of that town is the same as a "tax system", you DEFINITELY will not see the relevance.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #115 May 23, 2008 >And if you CHOOSE to believe that a temporary, LOCAL tax that was >VOTED in by the citizens of that town is the same as a "tax system" . . ?? Yes, local, state and federal taxes (in their various permutations of income, sales, excise etc) are all part of the taxation system in the US. You are obligated to pay all of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #116 May 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteand the relevance to the topic? To help out, the topic is how the tax system favors the wealthy, as shown by these deals with pro sports owners and walmart. If you CHOOSE to believe that local taxes are not taxes, you obviously will not see the relevance. And if you CHOOSE to believe that a temporary, LOCAL tax that was VOTED in by the citizens of that town is the same as a "tax system", you DEFINITELY will not see the relevance. The extent to which you are prepared to wriggle in order to believe that any taxes are NOT taxes and part of the system of taxes in the US of A is just incredible. Alice in Wonderland has nothing on you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #117 May 23, 2008 Quote>And if you CHOOSE to believe that a temporary, LOCAL tax that was >VOTED in by the citizens of that town is the same as a "tax system" . . ?? Yes, local, state and federal taxes (in their various permutations of income, sales, excise etc) are all part of the taxation system in the US. You are obligated to pay all of them. Really? I wasn't aware that I had to pay sales tax if I don't buy anything in the affected city or county. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess an additional sales tax referendum to, oh...pay to rebuild a water treatment plant is "the tax system favoring the city", as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #118 May 23, 2008 >Really? I wasn't aware that I had to pay sales tax . . . You often make some good points on here, but "local taxes aren't really taxes" isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #119 May 23, 2008 Quote>Really? I wasn't aware that I had to pay sales tax . . . You often make some good points on here, but "local taxes aren't really taxes" isn't one of them. I understand the point that you and John are trying to make - I just happen to disagree with it. I never said it wasn't a tax - I said it was part of a business deal (just like a bond referendum to upgrade the local water plant) and not an overarching tax system. From up-thread: My point is that the tax system is written to benefit the wealthy A local, temporary, voluntarily-imposed sales tax (doubly voluntary, as people who disagree with the tax don't have to buy anything in the affected city/county, if they so choose) is hardly the same as the non-voluntarily imposed federal income tax system.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdfreefly 1 #120 May 23, 2008 This thread seems to have brought out the worst of speaker's corner. I make a post about a black candidate and whether or not racism is effecting his bid to get elected as the president of the united states. Instead of talking about this we have now discussed: Whether or not he himself is a racist Whether or not his church affiliation makes him a racist Whether or not his wife is a racist Hillary's ability to sing the national anthem Racism was tied inexplicably to being stupid False quotes that supposedly prove he is a racist McCain's preacher What constitutes proof for RushMC A debate over what constitutes a PA A philosophical statement that perhaps Obama is racist towards himself A commentary on liberal elitism An insistent claim that one was the victim of a PA An insistent claim by another that a user does not understand what a PA is. The finer points of dropzone.com's spell checking The finer points of firefox's spell checking What I believe to be a veiled comment that people should use MAC. A helpful shopping tip, who knew goodwill had computers? Whether or not Obamam is a Marxist Obama's policy on taxes yet more on spell checking whether or not the rich in this country are screwing the poor Tax subsidies OSX rules apparently whether or not bush's tax cuts benefit the rich or the poor. Whether or not people can feed themselves on $50K Our country's policy on oil and alternative energy Obama's position on partial birth abortions The governement's inability to control spending American's tendency to live beyond their means. A conversation about taxes in which one poster proclaimed the topic to be how the tax system favors the wealthy (that one really killed me! Please stay on the topic of this off topic conversation within this thread) This thread kills me... So, would anyone like to comment on racism in this country and its effect on Obama's bid to become president of this country? Methane Freefly - got stink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #121 May 23, 2008 Quote I make a post about a black candidate and whether or not racism is effecting his bid to get elected as the president of the united states. Instead of talking about this we have now discussed: Seems like a wildly successful thread actually, esp when you consider all those topics were covered in 120 posts. Would have been fewer even, if bill and kallend hadn't repeatedly made brain dead remarks about taxes being taxes. If you don't like thread drift, tough. There will be 6 more months to talk about racism wrt Obama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #122 May 23, 2008 Quote[if bill and kallend hadn't repeatedly made brain dead remarks about taxes being taxes. . So how do you classify those who need to be told over and over that local taxes are taxes?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #123 May 23, 2008 Quote So how do you classify those who need to be told over and over that local taxes are taxes? Nonexistent, as it was never germane to the topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #124 May 23, 2008 Quote Since Obama is the most racist candidate to run for office since Strom Thurman Really? Jesse Helms George Wallace David Duke Jim Giles Lyndon Larouche_________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #125 May 24, 2008 Quote Quote Since Obama is the most racist candidate to run for office since Strom Thurman Really? Jesse Helms George Wallace David Duke Jim Giles Lyndon Larouche Were they all Grand Wizards too? (or what ever the KKK leaders were)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
