Will This Get the Left Anti Evangelicals Panties In a Bundle?

[billvon 3,120]

>Obama subcribes (till he got caught) to the teachings of a preacher
>who makes most hillbillies look almost reasonable in comparison. Do we
>care about that?

And McCain subscribes to a preacher who believes the US was founded to eradicate Islam. Do you think that means McCain advocates genocide? Why don't you care about that?

Amazing that McCain gets a pass from the media on this, while the echo chamber could talk of nothing else for two weeks beyond what Obama's preacher said. Yet despite their best attempts to destroy him, he rebounded and is doing better than ever in the primary. Almost as if people are starting to get sick of being force-fed the latest media talking points - which is a good thing in general IMO.

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You evidently missed the bolding... that fact that, for all the outcry over "evangelical hillbillies" and illogical treatises on the separation of church and state, there seems to be no discussion at all about an evangelical liberal...

Mike
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Obama subcribes (till he got caught) to the teachings of a preacher who makes most hillbillies look almost reasonable in comparison. Do we care about that?

Boo hoo, who gives a fuck. "Oh no, he went to church there, so certainly he agrees with every single thing Rev. Wright ever said." Right? Wrong.

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So, is calling mountain people hillbillies any less offensive than calling black people niggers to you? Some derogatory labels are ok,huh?

1.) Who cares, that has absolutely zero relevance to what we're talking about. You can call black people whatever word you feel like.

2.) When did I call mountain people hillbillies? Try to pay attention.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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You evidently missed the bolding... that fact that, for all the outcry over "evangelical hillbillies" and illogical treatises on the separation of church and state, there seems to be no discussion at all about an evangelical liberal...

I think the phrase you highlighted with bold letters was "fundamentalist hillbillies." And it was completely unrelated to any point you made in the thread prior to your wholly unwarranted claim that your point was proven.

Don't believe me? Read the thread for yourself.

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[mnealtx 0]

Oh dear, I misquoted and NOBODY could figure out what I meant... .... perhaps YOU should have read my first post in the thread, it may have helped you figure it out.

Mike
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Oh dear, I misquoted and NOBODY could figure out what I meant... .... perhaps YOU should have read my first post in the thread, it may have helped you figure it out.

***You must not have gotten the memo - it's only bad to be a Christian if you're NOT a liberal.

So your point was that it's okay for liberals to be Christians? Well now. that changes everything. He certainly proved that when he made the comment that at least Obama isn't a fundamentalist.

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[n23x 0]

Nobody said being Christian or any other faith is a bad thing. This applies to liberals, conserveratives, hell, probably even Canadians (hi skirt).

The extent a political candidate will apply their faith-specific beliefs to their political agenda is potentially a concern, for me.

Obama's faith does not pose a concern to me in terms of him doing a good job in office.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[mnealtx 0]

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Oh dear, I misquoted and NOBODY could figure out what I meant... .... perhaps YOU should have read my first post in the thread, it may have helped you figure it out.

***You must not have gotten the memo - it's only bad to be a Christian if you're NOT a liberal.

So your point was that it's okay for liberals to be Christians? Well now. that changes everything. He certainly proved that when he made the comment that at least Obama isn't a fundamentalist.

SURE, it does... maybe you can show me more than a handful of posts that *don't* portray conservative Christians as 'fundamentalist hillbillies" and I'll concede the point.

Mike
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SURE, it does... maybe you can show me more than a handful of posts that *don't* portray conservative Christians as 'fundamentalist hillbillies" and I'll concede the point.

More than a handful of posts that *don't* portray conservative Christians as "fundamentalist hillbillies"

Easy enough. I'll consider you to have conceded your point.

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[n23x 0]

Did I say:

christian conservative == fundamentalist hillbilly

Or did you make that leap? I think you made that leap.

Would I want someone who is morally/religiously against abortion (and states that they intend pursue criminalization of abortions when elected) to become president? Absolutely not.

Would I vote for someone who was morally/religiously against abortion (but states that it is a woman's right to choose)? Probably, if I liked their position on other issues.

See a difference? (Probably not, I suspect)

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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Personally, aside from his comment about the government creating AIDS to kill off black people, his comments weren't really that far off the mark.

I agree. I don't fault Wright for pointing out unpleasant truths, it just seems that radicalism and stirring up the troops etc. are not the most effective way to ultimately rid our species of racism, regardless of which race it's coming from. The way to extoll the very real benefits of diversity and inclusion concepts has FAR better avenues than Rev. Wright. He needs to just STFU.

I personally want us all to get past racism in general with as little further ado as possible, using methods like workplace training that are proving themselves to work in changing peoples hearts to the good on this.

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Think I'm wrong? Find thirty continuous minutes of one of his sermons where the overall message is hateful. I've got an open mind. I'll admit it if I'm wrong.

You either believe in what you're saying or not -- it matters not how OFTEN you say it.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Sheesh. What a thread. I don't think it will get their panties in a bunch at all. They want the votes and if doing something that disgusts them gets those votes, they'll be all for it. Religion disgusts some on the left but not all - it's a good move for him politically. He'll lose the state in the general regardless.

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He needs to just STFU.

I would say that goes double for his critics that claim his sermon was hate filled.

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I personally want us all to get past racism in general with as little further ado as possible, using methods like workplace training that are proving themselves to work in changing peoples hearts to the good on this.

I agree. The thing is, I'm white and a hell of a lot younger than Wright. I'm never going to understand racism like he understands it. That's in no small part due to people of his generation, like himself, who were active in the civil rights movement. The closest I'm likely to ever suffer from racism is not being qualified for the United Negro College Fund. He's lived with it all his life. Personally, I'm willing to cut him a little slack and give him the benefit of the doubt.

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You either believe in what you're saying or not -- it matters not how OFTEN you say it.

But it matters a lot if it was taken out of context.

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[JackC 0]

So what's the story? Are Democrats supposed to be the party of the unbelieving Infidels and Republicans the party of the righteous Christians?

US politics is more fucked up than I thought.

[nerdgirl 0]

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You must not have gotten the memo - it's only bad to be a Christian if you're NOT a liberal.

I was not aware that Christianity was the domain of one political party in the late 20th or early 21st Century?

The critical part missing is most liberals don't care what Sen Obama does *legally* in his spare time.

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SURE, it does... maybe you can show me more than a handful of posts that *don't* portray conservative Christians as 'fundamentalist hillbillies" and I'll concede the point.

Great. I'll point you to one that linked to the original item from January, which notes "One (indirect) response from Sen Obama’s campaign was a pro-Christian flyer distributed as part of the South Carolina primary, which includes affirmations on “Being Called to Christ” and the “Power of (Christian) prayer.” No derision. No attention. It's actually old news.

VR/Marg

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[kallend 2,150]

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You must not have gotten the memo - it's only bad to be a Christian if you're NOT a liberal.

I was not aware that Christianity was the domain of one political party in the late 20th or early 21st Century?

VR/Marg

You must have slept through that part.
The GOP claims to own the US flag, Christianity, and family values.

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Oh dear, I misquoted and NOBODY could figure out what I meant... .... perhaps YOU should have read my first post in the thread, it may have helped you figure it out.

***You must not have gotten the memo - it's only bad to be a Christian if you're NOT a liberal.

So your point was that it's okay for liberals to be Christians but it is not ok for Consevatives to be Christians? Well now. that changes everything. He certainly proved that when he made the comment that at least Obama isn't a fundamentalist.

there, I fixed it for you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Sheesh. What a thread. I don't think it will get their panties in a bunch at all. They want the votes and if doing something that disgusts them gets those votes, they'll be all for it. Religion disgusts some on the left but not all - it's a good move for him politically. He'll lose the state in the general regardless.

For the most part I agree with you I posted this to see what direction it would take. It was easy to predict.

The main point is if a Repub is a Chritian somehow that is dangerous to this country (Bush is a great example) But the left can have a bigoted black liberations "Chritian" canidate and, well, since he/she is a Dem they have the brains to handle it.

Played out very clearly in this thread I think

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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For the most part I agree with you I posted this to see what direction it would take. It was easy to predict.

The main point is if a Repub is a Chritian somehow that is dangerous to this country (Bush is a great example) But the left can have a bigoted black liberations "Chritian" canidate and, well, since he/she is a Dem they have the brains to handle it.

Played out very clearly in this thread I think

How did you come to that conclusion because it is not at all evident to me?

Rev Hagee is probably a better example of a conservative who has been seen -- rightly so imo *because of his foreign policy advocations* -- as dangerous.

Each fall & spring, a small book (still hard copy) -- "Congressional Directory" -- gets put out of all the Senators and Representatives. Under each entry list phone numbers, education, Chief of Staff's and Press Sec's names, birthdate, Committee membership, and religious affailiation. Almost 100% list a Christian religious domination.

My conclusion is this is old news. Trying to make an issue out of a non-issue ... when there are lots of *real* issues to be discussed.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[rushmc 23]

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For the most part I agree with you I posted this to see what direction it would take. It was easy to predict.

The main point is if a Repub is a Chritian somehow that is dangerous to this country (Bush is a great example) But the left can have a bigoted black liberations "Chritian" canidate and, well, since he/she is a Dem they have the brains to handle it.

Played out very clearly in this thread I think

How did you come to that conclusion because it is not at all evident to me?

Rev Hagee is probably a better example of a conservative who has been seen -- rightly so imo *because of his foreign policy advocations* -- as dangerous.

Each fall & spring, a small book (still hard copy) -- "Congressional Directory" -- gets put out of all the Senators and Representatives. Under each entry list phone numbers, education, Chief of Staff's and Press Sec's names, birthdate, Committee membership, and religious affailiation. Almost 100% list a Christian religious domination.

My conclusion is this is old news. Trying to make an issue out of a non-issue ... when there are lots of *real* issues to be discussed.

VR/Marg

Maybe an old but regularly reocuring one.

Tell me, what do you think the media reaction would have been say, McCain was/is going to a churck where white liberation phylosophy was preached. One were a topic would be that if a thier God supported the black man then that God should be killed?
Now, I realize the Obama furror was there for a while. And what his preacher spewed was some of the most racist crap I have ever heard but, my point is more to this thread and the different "rules" used by some here.

As for issues around Obama?

Well, let me ask, what would be the media position if McCain had the same (lack of) experience Obama does? I am sure it would be much much different. But, that is the way it is. Different rules are a pet peeve of mine and I will continue to point them if I believe I see one. This thread is a classic example to me anyway

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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The main point is if a Repub is a Chritian somehow that is dangerous to this country (Bush is a great example)

Only the ones who pray to this guy (see attachments)

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The main point is if a Repub is a Chritian somehow that is dangerous to this country (Bush is a great example)

Only the ones who pray to this guy (see attachments)

....and the point would be?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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....and the point would be?

I think it has something to do with the Christians who believe in the Biblical Jesus for an hour a week and believe in this other guy for the remainder of the time.

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Whoops, forgot a good one.

[TheAnvil 0]

That could be more a vestige of the media and its liberal bias and the particular issues in question than democratic candidates themselves.

The conservatives get more attention to their faith because many base their opposition to abortion (one of their main issues in almost every national election) purely on faith and get many votes from a voting base that agrees with them on it. Talk about abortion and it gets viewers watching and a certain voting base to the polls - for both sides.

By comparison, little attention was paid to Catholic opposition/disgust with Senator Kerry over his pro-abortion stance, his Catholicism be damned. Some, granted, but nothing compared to the fury over Rev. Wright.

Hagee had some nasty comments about Catholics and about foreign policy, but other than Iraq foreign policy isn't really a key voter issue, so it received little attention.

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