Bob Barr announces POTUS Candidacy as a Libertarian

[lawrocket 3]

So now there is a big name in the Libertarian Party presidential campaign. Bob Barr. The fiery, and remarkably sullied Clinton impeachment figure.

This is NOT as weird as it may seem. Bob Barr is pretty active with the ACLU and has been a LOUD critic of the Bush Admin's policies relating to privacy, etc.

My problem? Like Hillary CLinton, I just don't trust him. HE was WAYYYY too gung ho over the Clinton impeachment. The guy really HATED Bill Clinton. And it showed.

On top of that, Barr voted for the Patriot Act. He has argued that it is not being utilized properly by the Bush Admin, and that the Bush Admin has been skewing it to cover everything improperly. However, Mr. Barr, what you are saying is exactly what the critics of the Patriot Act (like myself) said was gonna happen, and you voted for it.

I can appreciate that you think you've made mistakes.

I can appreciate that you now have changed your mind - to a limited extent - on the issue of drug legalization.

However, Mr. Barr, I think your candidacy may lead me to actually vote outside of the Libertarian Party for a President for the first time ever.

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[skydyvr 0]

Absolutely fascinating. I always thought his panties would be far too much in a bunch to be a libertarian. Must be more to him than what I saw in the impeachment days.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

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However, Mr. Barr, I think your candidacy may lead me to actually vote outside of the Libertarian Party for a President for the first time ever.

You don't have to. The Libertarian Party doesn't even list him as one of their Presidential candidates:

http://www.lp.org/libertydecides/

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[lawrocket 3]

Indeed, but their standards are pretty low. FCC filing; $5k in fundraising; and meet bylaws.

I reckon he can get that done in the next ten days. That's when the convention starts - in Denver.

It's not that hard to be a candidate for the Libertarian Party.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

I'm just saying there are other Libertarian Prez candidates besides just him. And the other ones seem to be a lot more like real libertarians than Barr.

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[Amazon 7]

So what we have here is another hard core Ultra rightie repubican who wants to masquerade as a libertarian... go figure.
I am amazed he is not a member of Dropzone dot com and post here in SC.. seems to be the norm for so many of the "libertarians" in here

[Amazon 7]

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I'm just saying there are other Libertarian Prez candidates besides just him. And the other ones seem to be a lot more like real libertarians than Barr.

I bet we will see even more of the repubicans running away from the party they latched onto and have changed so far from a party that once had certain core values that were inviolate. Those days are long gone.

I think the abuses of the neo cons are showing them they need to pretend it was not them.. and run away.. so they MIGHT fool enough peoiple into voting for them again.

[lawrocket 3]

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So what we have here is another hard core Ultra rightie repubican who wants to masquerade as a libertarian... go figure.
I am amazed he is not a member of Dropzone dot com and post here in SC.. seems to be the norm for so many of the "libertarians" in here

Indeed. Maybe I'm actually Bob Barr, and trying to destroy myself. It's the realm of possibilities.

Jeanne - call me "another hard core Ultra rightie republican" if you wish. I'll call you one, as well. Then we'll be truly even!

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So what we have here is another hard core Ultra rightie repubican who wants to masquerade as a libertarian... go figure.
I am amazed he is not a member of Dropzone dot com and post here in SC.. seems to be the norm for so many of the "libertarians" in here

I really have not noticed this. Or maybe you & I have different definitions of what constitutes a "hard core ultra-righty Republican."

anyway, Bob Barr is at the very least NOT a Neo-Con, which seems to be the dominant species in the Republican pond.

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[DZJ 0]

Just out of curiosity, suppose this guy does spectacularly better than expected, what share of the vote might he get - 0.5%? 1%?

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Just out of curiosity, suppose this guy does spectacularly better than expected, what share of the vote might he get - 0.5%? 1%?

With McCain as the GOP candidate, a good Libertarian could pull in Ross Perot numbers. I don't know (or maybe remember) anything about this guy, but if he's actually pro Patriot Act, and he gets the Libertarian nod, I'll be one voter they've lost since the last election.

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[rehmwa 2]

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With McCain as the GOP candidate, a good Libertarian could pull in Ross Perot numbers.

seriously true for real Libertarian - McCain could lose the real fiscal conservatives that he's just expecting to get by default

Maybe even enough to cancel out the liberals he's sucking up to now that would go to him just because of the anti (Obama or Clinton) factions on the left.

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[idrankwhat 0]

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seriously true for real Libertarian - McCain could lose the real fiscal conservatives ...

Not to sound too cynical but, who are they? I haven't seen or heard from any in a while, at least not at the leadership level. Regardless, it sounds like a small contingent.

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seriously true for real Libertarian - McCain could lose the real fiscal conservatives ...

Not to sound too cynical but, who are they? I haven't seen or heard from any in a while, at least not at the leadership level. Regardless, it sounds like a small contingent.

I don't believe there are any in the "leadership" (whatever that means nowadays). I thought we were talking about voters. I believe/hope there are plenty of fiscal conservatives in the voting ranks, they just aren't allowed to be politicians by either party.

Of course, I'm thinking the "not to sound too cynical" comment might also not apply to me either?

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[Thanatos340 1]

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don't know (or maybe remember) anything about this guy, but if he's actually pro Patriot Act, and he gets the Libertarian nod

Sadly, This guy represented my District for several years. He is as Far from a Libertarian as you will ever see. In my mind he represented the absolute worst of the Republican ticket while in office.

Yes, he supported the Patriot Act, He worked to stop any consideration of medical Marijuana, Led the war on drugs in Congress, Pushed legislation that said only marriages that are between a man and a woman can be federally recognized, Worked to push legislation to Ban practice of some religions for military personnel (Wicca and/or Paganism), Anti-abortion but talked his own wife into having one when he was about to leave her, Led the charge for the Clinton Impeachment in the Lewinski affair yet had numerous Affairs himself over the years. This guy is Hypocrite and lying scum bag in my opinion.

He claims to have changed now and supports the Libertarian Values but I would not trust this guy at all on anything. It will be an absolute disgrace if the Libertarian Party allows this guy run as one of them. Nothing could be further from the truth.

He does have alot of spport from Ultra Right Wing conservatives (The ones that really make the rest of us look bad). Him running will just give the Office to the Dems. He will tale alot of votes from McCain much like Perot did to Bush.

[billvon 3,114]

>The Libertarian Party doesn't even list him as one of their Presidential candidates:

They do now, and he's #1 in money raised.

Does anyone think Ron Paul will change his mind and run as a libertarian?

[kallend 2,147]

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don't know (or maybe remember) anything about this guy, but if he's actually pro Patriot Act, and he gets the Libertarian nod

Sadly, This guy represented my District for several years. He is as Far from a Libertarian as you will ever see. In my mind he represented the absolute worst of the Republican ticket while in office.

Yes, he supported the Patriot Act, He worked to stop any consideration of medical Marijuana, Led the war on drugs in Congress, Pushed legislation that said only marriages that are between a man and a woman can be federally recognized, Worked to push legislation to Ban practice of some religions for military personnel (Wicca and/or Paganism), Anti-abortion but talked his own wife into having one when he was about to leave her, Led the charge for the Clinton Impeachment in the Lewinski affair yet had numerous Affairs himself over the years. This guy is Hypocrite and lying scum bag in my opinion.

He claims to have changed now and supports the Libertarian Values but I would not trust this guy at all on anything. It will be an absolute disgrace if the Libertarian Party allows this guy run as one of them. Nothing could be further from the truth.

He does have alot of spport from Ultra Right Wing conservatives (The ones that really make the rest of us look bad). Him running will just give the Office to the Dems. He will tale alot of votes from McCain much like Perot did to Bush.

Don't hold back; tell us what you really think of him.

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[mnealtx 0]

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>The Libertarian Party doesn't even list him as one of their Presidential candidates:

They do now, and he's #1 in money raised.

Does anyone think Ron Paul will change his mind and run as a libertarian?

Unfortunately, I don't believe he will.

Mike
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Ron Paul said he wouldn't. but he is definitely a better libertarian than Barr is.

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[lawrocket 3]

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if he's actually pro Patriot Act, and he gets the Libertarian nod, I'll be one voter they've lost since the last election.

He said he isn't. He's become one of those guys that is a thorn in the Admin's side with regard to it. My problem is that he voted for it.

He DOES have a valid argument about the Act being misapplied, but I think he still loses out because, well, civil libertarians told him so.

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[lawrocket 3]

Thanks for writing that. That's the sort of history that I was looking for. I simply do not view the guy as a Libertarian.

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[Thanatos340 1]

Bob Barr is the sort of guy that everyone can find common ground on. They ALL hate him.. Left, Right, Centrist, Libertarian.. It doesn’t matter. He finds a way to piss off (and at the same time, Piss ON) EVERYONE.

The Libertarian Philosophy is alot like Communism in one way. It sounds great till you actually try to apply it. Then you find it doesn’t work. The Party has some great ideas in principal however the extremist and nutcases have always had control and therefore never been able to make a real difference.

[rehmwa 2]

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I simply do not view the guy as a Libertarian.

he reads as an extreme rightie - the wrong kind, a social rightie, with the added bonus of the politician's lack of consistency

now he's claiming Libertarianism? sounds like a career politician doing the 'any port in a storm' character

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[rehmwa 2]

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The Party has some great ideas in principal however the extremist and nutcases have always had control and therefore never been able to make a real difference.

I can name a couple parties in charge that also match that description

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[lawrocket 3]

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The Libertarian Philosophy is alot like Communism in one way. It sounds great till you actually try to apply it.

I can see your point on that. I often wonder what would happen if my ideas actually prevailed. Most of us libertarians aren't anarchists.

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The Party has some great ideas in principal

What most of us look for is a government based on those principles.

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