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[vortexring 0]

Ah, fair one square one. Still, when it comes to you and dogged tenacity......

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[kallend 2,184]

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I would like to think I am someone who learns from mistakes!

You still support Bush, so that is complete BS.

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I would like to think I am someone who learns from mistakes!

You still support Bush, so that is complete BS.

And I still wonder if YOU can vote in the US?????

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

Instead of posting three times in response to one post of mine, and twice in response to one post of vortex's, why don't you try to organize your ideas in a coherent manner and get it all over with in one response?

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US war dead cremated in pet cemetary.

www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN0952161920080510

Words fail me as to how you are incapable of actually conveying an accurate summary of reported information:

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The Pentagon said it had no evidence that the remains of troops had been treated inappropriately at the crematorium.

According to officials, the remains of humans and pets were cremated at separate incinerators at the Delaware crematorium.

This may surprise you, but most crematoriums that are not part of a funeral home cremate human remains, amputated limbs, and animals. Often in separate incinerators.

So, no, US Troops killed in action are not cremated in pet cemeteries.

If it is so APPROPRIATE, how come the military is not going to do it any more now that it has been exposed? Why did McCain complain about it? Why did Gates apologize?

Defense Secretary Robert Gates believed the earlier situation was "insensitive and entirely inappropriate for the dignified treatment of our fallen," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

"Our heroes deserve to be better treated than that," Morrell said, adding that a sign at one of the crematoriums noted that it also does pet cremations. He said Gates offered an apology to military families for the insensitivity.

I said nothing of how appropriate it is or is not. I was saying everything about how ineffectively and inaccurately you presented a situation:

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US war dead cremated in pet cemetary.

Not only is that not what's being reported, but it seems you're the one being worked up and emotional to the point that you can't talk about it because "words fail you".

What I really don't understand is that somehow, you construe my clarification to your OP as meaning that I endorse the activity as "appropriate". In fact, what I'm doing is calling you out of whatever emotion or perspective you're posting from.

You seem to find strange vindication in perceived mistreatment of US servicemen and women. It took Sect'y Gates a day to just cancel the contract to avoid just such a thing. Even though the reality of crematoriums that aren't associated with funeral homes handle multiple forms of remains is commonplace.

If you devoted 10% of your energy into citing how much success there is with our military, the people on this board wouldn't recognize you.

The manner in which the military is conducting itself in this campaign is leaps-and-bounds-above any bar set in history. It is indeed sad that you can't see that.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,184]

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The manner in which the military is conducting itself in this campaign is leaps-and-bounds-above any bar set in history. It is indeed sad that you can't see that.

Like Abu Ghraib and Haditha?

The crematorium was inappropriate. SecDef Gates sees it, McCain sees it. You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

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You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out exactly where I said the practice was okay. Again, I was pointing out your inability to reflect the reality of what is actually happening.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Well I agree with Gates.

I like that. I love how you choose sides so flippantly to fit whatever drossy point you have. That is now my new signature line.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Shouldn't we call Ripley's Believe it or Not, or something?

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The manner in which the military is conducting itself in this campaign is leaps-and-bounds-above any bar set in history. It is indeed sad that you can't see that.

Like Abu Ghraib and Haditha?

The crematorium was inappropriate. SecDef Gates sees it, McCain sees it. You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out for me where I indicated any of what you posted here!

Oh, you cant.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The manner in which the military is conducting itself in this campaign is leaps-and-bounds-above any bar set in history. It is indeed sad that you can't see that.

Like Abu Ghraib and Haditha?

The crematorium was inappropriate. SecDef Gates sees it, McCain sees it. You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out for me where I indicated any of what you posted here!

Oh, you cant.

Logic 101. See if you can follow along.
SecDef Gates thinks the cremation of US war dead in a facility also used for pets is inappropriate.
Kallend agrees with SecDef Gates on this issue.
You disagree with Kallend.
It follows that you disagree with Gates on this issue.
It follows that you think the cremation of US war dead in a facility also used for pets is appropriate.

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You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out exactly where I said the practice was okay. Again, I was pointing out your inability to reflect the reality of what is actually happening.

Do you think the use of the described facility is appropriate for the cremation of US war dead? Yes or no?

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The manner in which the military is conducting itself in this campaign is leaps-and-bounds-above any bar set in history. It is indeed sad that you can't see that.

Like Abu Ghraib and Haditha?

The crematorium was inappropriate. SecDef Gates sees it, McCain sees it. You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out for me where I indicated any of what you posted here!

Oh, you cant.

Logic 101. See if you can follow along.
SecDef Gates thinks the cremation of US war dead in a facility also used for pets is inappropriate.
Kallend agrees with SecDef Gates on this issue.
You disagree with Kallend.
It follows that you disagree with Gates on this issue.
It follows that you think the cremation of US war dead in a facility also used for pets is appropriate.

Logic 101 must be a class you flunked.

Here is your error.

Where did I "disagree' with your position sir?

Fact is I did not anywhere here. I commented to the way you choose to frame an issue in a knee jerk way.



Care to try again?

Oh, if you care to you can ask me what I think about the topic I would reply, now that I have had some time (as opposed to a fast knee jerk post) to form an opinion

I too am glad you agree with the current SecDef

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I like that. I love how you choose sides so flippantly to fit whatever drossy point you have. That is now my new signature line.

I think it is important to agree or disagree with someone on the merit of their assertion rather than because of the side they are on.

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[kallend 2,184]

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Logic 101 must be a class you flunked.

Here is your error.

Where did I "disagree' with your position sir?

OK, now I understand. Suggesting I'm "making shit out of thin air" is your way of agreeing with me.

So, in fact, you do agree with me on this issue.

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You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out exactly where I said the practice was okay. Again, I was pointing out your inability to reflect the reality of what is actually happening.

Do you think the use of the described facility is appropriate for the cremation of US war dead? Yes or no?

Before I let you change the subject, please point out where I stated that this was appropriate? I was calling you out on your shrill. Pet cemeteries...in the face of every indication that no one was mistreated (nevermind that crematoriums are not necessarily cemeteries).

To answer your question (read it carefully): I do not believe that the remains of our servicemen were handled inappropriately. If they were not being handled through sections that handled animals and waste, then I do not believe any dishonor has been bestowed upon them, even if an error was made in their handling and a crematorium was used that handles animals. Naturally, I don't believe that if there were deliberate acts of cremation in that fashion. I do agree with the decision to change the practice, which will cremate the remains at funeral homes of the choosing of the families, as being a better process and is even better suited to responding to wishes of our servicemen and families.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,184]

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You and Marc Rush apparently think it's just fine. Well I agree with Gates.

Please point out exactly where I said the practice was okay. Again, I was pointing out your inability to reflect the reality of what is actually happening.

Do you think the use of the described facility is appropriate for the cremation of US war dead? Yes or no?

To answer your question (read it carefully): I do not believe that the remains of our servicemen were handled inappropriately. .

OK, so you disagree with me, and Gates, and McCain, and even rushmc. You think it was appropriate (which is what not inappropriate means).

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Logic 101 must be a class you flunked.

Here is your error.

Where did I "disagree' with your position sir?

OK, now I understand. Suggesting I'm "making shit out of thin air" is your way of agreeing with me.

So, in fact, you do agree with me on this issue.

Since you are afraid to ask and, given the fact you are twisting in the wind I will tell you what I think on this subject

First, YOU are making a bigger shit pile of this than it really is. (not hard to understand given your hatred of US institutions) YOU are jumping in on this with both feet because, why? I dont know, maybe see above?

Second, for those like you who think we should conserve I am appalled YOU think a seperate furnace should be constructed (thereby wasting resources and space)

Do I think a better process could be put into place? Yes, but since I have never known of anybody watching a body being burned what difference does it make?

My father in law was just creamated. I do not know where or how and frankly I do not see what the point would be of knowing any of this. I would only ask that I could have some confidense that the ashes we recieved were (mostly) his.

Mountian out of a mole hill. And I will NEVER believe words fail you.

Now we can all await your next created shit storm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If it is so APPROPRIATE, how come the military is not going to do it any more now that it has been exposed?

Because our media already made shit out of nothing - as they typically do.
And for military it doesn't make sense to fight the media crap - it's much easier to request extra 10M dollars and build several more crematories.
The only problem, the media won't pay those 10M. We will.

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[kallend 2,184]

Apparently you can't make up your mind what you believe. Has Rush Limbaugh not told you yet?

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Apparently you can't make up your mind what you believe. Has Rush Limbaugh not told you yet?

You are very funny when you are working your shovel

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

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If it is so APPROPRIATE, how come the military is not going to do it any more now that it has been exposed?

Because our media already made shit out of nothing - as they typically do.
And for military it doesn't make sense to fight the media crap - it's much easier to request extra 10M dollars and build several more crematories.
The only problem, the media won't pay those 10M. We will.

So cost should be the primary consideration of how US war dead are treated?

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It follows that you think the cremation of US war dead in a facility also used for pets is appropriate.

So could anyone explain why it has been appropriate all the time to cremate HUMANS and pets on those facilities before the media brought this bullshit up? After all, this facility wasn't opened yesterday, and I guess this is not the only facility which cremates both pets and humans on site.

It looks like this is kind of "dead body discrimination" - i.e. if you die in U.S., it is completely appropriate to be cremated in such facility (otherwise I have no idea why the State allowed it to be constructed this way). Do you think that what is appropriate for remains of dead humans who die in America might not be appropriate for remains of dead humans who died in Iraq? I cannot understand your point.

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Apparently you can't make up your mind what you believe. Has Rush Limbaugh not told you yet?

You are very funny when you are working your shovel

Well, it seems from your posts in this thread that you neither agree nor disagree with SecDef Gates. Unfortunately for you, Limbaugh seems too preoccupied with whether or not he supports McCain to tell you what to think about this issue.

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So cost should be the primary consideration of how US war dead are treated?

Twisting the reply the same way, didn't you say that the government needs to control their spending? Military is part of the government.

However I didn't say that cost should be the primary consideration. I said that for them it's MUCH easier just to cancel the current contract, and build another facility for exclusive military use. You want it - no problem, it's on your money anyway. This is the answer to your "why did they apoligize and canceled this contract" - because this is the easiest way for them, and costs involved are not a concern.

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