Irish are reclaiming their right to their guns

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TWO gun enthusiasts have been given permission to license and own semi-automatic handguns designed for military use, despite objections from gardai.

In the latest in a series of court challenges to garda superintendents around the country who refuse gun licences to sports shooters and hunters because of the type of gun involved, two young men were given permission to own handguns in Tuam District Court yesterday.

It is the latest victory for shooting enthusiasts in at least 50 court cases which gardai have lost and which have led to enthusiasts owning and being licensed for a greater variety of guns then ever before.

The two young men, Jonathan Concannon of Lyssadyra, Tuam, and Shane Fleming, of The Weirs, Tuam, were initially refused licences to hold the weapons by Tuam Supt Seamus Kane because, in his opinion, the weapons were unsuitable for sporting uses. They appealed this decision at Tuam District Court.

"A gun is a gun is a gun," Judge Derek McVeigh stated, before overturning the Superintendent's decision.

Supt Kane argued that the 9mm Beretta PX Storm semi-automatic pistol which Mr Concannon wanted to license was unsuitable for sporting uses.

"This weapon is designed to discharge as fast as possible with not a great deal of accuracy. It is designed to hit a person," he said. "This Beretta has serious stopping power. This is not a sporting weapon."

In the case of Mr Fleming's appeal, he said the Sig semi-automatic he was seeking a licence for was the same type of weapon used by the Garda Emergency Response Unit and was also unsuitable for sporting use.

Judge McVeigh said he was willing to grant the application because the character of the applicant was not in question.

Conditions were set that the gun must be locked in a safe when not in use and the house where it is kept must be alarmed.

The second applicant, Mr Fleming, told the court he was a sales representative and held three previous gun licences for rifle and shotgun over the past 10 years. The judge granted his appeal.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/two-win-appeal-for-a-military-gun-licence-1370251.html

We could do with some judges like that in the UK.

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[Darius11 12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKzM8xsQ5-U



My favorite 3 Irish guys with guns.



hmmmmmm i need a new gun.

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[JohnRich 4]

It's a shame they have to go to court on a case-by-case basis with every handgun they want to own.

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Supt Kane argued that the 9mm Beretta PX Storm semi-automatic pistol which Mr Concannon wanted to license was unsuitable for sporting uses. "This weapon is designed to discharge as fast as possible with not a great deal of accuracy. It is designed to hit a person," he said. "This Beretta has serious stopping power. This is not a sporting weapon."

Wait a minute. If it has lousy accuracy, then how can it be designed to hit a person? If you want to shoot someone, you must have accuracy. He seems to be contradicting himself.

And what is there about a gun design that makes it "designed to hit a person", versus, say, designed to shoot paper targets? If it can do the latter, it can also do the former. They're just designed to shoot bullets. What you aim them at is your choice.

If a 9mm is considered "serious stopping power", then I guess that all larger calibers must be banned too? Even single shots? Does that mean that only calibers smaller than 9mm are considered "sporting"? Are you supposed to shoot deer with a .22 rimfire?

Supt. Kane is full of crap.

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I agree John. Hopefully they will get fed up of wasting the time of the judicial system.

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Are you supposed to shoot deer with a .22 rimfire?

Wouldn't be the first time!

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

[AWL71 0]

We need that judge to relocate to the US. A judge with common sense. That is not something you see often.

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[Ian84 0]

I think its a step in the right direction. If you want a gun badly enough and can convinve a judge that you are competent and trustworthy then you can have one. It almost makes too much sense.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKzM8xsQ5-U



My favorite 3 Irish guys with guns.



hmmmmmm i need a new gun.

Dude, you're begining to worry me! What the hell was that film?

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Supt Kane argued that the 9mm Beretta PX Storm semi-automatic pistol which Mr Concannon wanted to license was unsuitable for sporting uses.

"This weapon is designed to discharge as fast as possible with not a great deal of accuracy. It is designed to hit a person," he said. "This Beretta has serious stopping power. This is not a sporting weapon."

You know, I'm not a big fan of Berettas, but geez, isn't this just a little harsh? They've really improved quality control and their production since the first generations of M9s and the Storm is a decent weapon. Still wouldn't trade my Kimber in for one.

Seriously, this Kane person has no clue what they're talking about. Most modern off the shelf average handguns (think $500-700) are more accurate then the average shooter is. I could have understood if they were talking about a Hi-Point .45 or a Hitech 9mm, but I'm more then sure Kane has never heard of those brands (nor have most of you here).

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[DARK 0]

while i agree that normal sane human beings should be allowed have a gun if they want and that these people probably are not going to do anything bad with their gun i dont think full legalisation in ireland is a good idea

for one thing it would mean the automatic arming of all gardai and an unarmed police force is a luxury i would not like to give up lightly

and im irish obviously by the way

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I agree I wouldn't want to see them for sale in Dunes for anyone who fancied one, but for people who are cleared to have them for sporting use who are licenced why not?
(And if you're from Limerick and don't need one for self defence, then neither does anyone else in Ireland!)

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[DARK 0]

hahahahow u know im from limerick? is it in my profile?

im from dublin just in college in limerick

there was a 15 yr old stopped driving a car with a bulletproof vest on a few weeks ago near here and his teenaged passenger had one on too and automatic weapons...mad shit but iv never had trouble here