chuteless 1 #126 May 14, 2008 He didnt say the government did that, but he did say it wouldn't surprise him if it was so. Neither would it surprise me, but I do not think the government did it. The one thing I disagree with Jeremiah Wright on, and it does amaze me that he would say it being a Baptist Pastor, is that the Jewish people owe land to the Palestinians. God gave that land to Abraham and his seed for ever, and actually stretches from the Nile River eastward to the Euphrates River. They eventually will own every inch of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #127 May 14, 2008 2nd Peter 3:4, say that people have been saying for centuries " Where is the promise of his coming? for since our fathers died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." That is very true, but Jesus will be coming back...and you won't have to wait much longer. He shall come as a thief in the night ( When you least expect him) There will be advance warning, Revelation 3:3, 1st Thessalonians 5:2 You had better get ready!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #128 May 14, 2008 Quote YES....God is a loving God, to those who obey His commandments and accept and follow Jesus Christ ,the Son of God. You don't believe a single person killed in any of these disasters attempted to obey your God's commandments and followed Jesus Christ, the son of your God? Doesn't sound very loving ... Quote For those who worship idols, look at what God did to the Jews, and look around at the disasters that befall idol worshippers both in North America and third world countries. Once again, you don't believe a single person killed in any of these disasters attempted to obey your God's commandments and followed Jesus Christ, the son of your God? Doesn't sound very loving ... Quote He IS a Loving, longsuffering God, and willing to accept anyone, and love them only IF theyare faithful to Him. What reason(s) do we have to be faithful to, obey, worship, etc... your God?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #129 May 14, 2008 Quote Quote YES....God is a loving God, to those who obey His commandments and accept and follow Jesus Christ ,the Son of God. You don't believe a single person killed in any of these disasters attempted to obey your God's commandments and followed Jesus Christ, the son of your God? Doesn't sound very loving ... Quote For those who worship idols, look at what God did to the Jews, and look around at the disasters that befall idol worshippers both in North America and third world countries. Once again, you don't believe a single person killed in any of these disasters attempted to obey your God's commandments and followed Jesus Christ, the son of your God? Doesn't sound very loving ... Quote He IS a Loving, longsuffering God, and willing to accept anyone, and love them only IF theyare faithful to Him. What reason(s) do we have to be faithful to, obey, worship, etc... your God? Easy, so you can go to Heaven. Otherwise be prepared to spend eternity in hell with the rest of us. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #130 May 14, 2008 Your comments are so absolutely ridiculous, it shows you know exactly NOTHING about this ( and perhaps other ) Topics. Read what happened in the Book of Genesis ( if you can read ). You are posting just to show of how little you know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #131 May 14, 2008 VERY WELL PUT. I hope someone gets from your posting a reason to take a long look at their life, and does something to correct their situation with God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #132 May 14, 2008 QuoteYou had better get ready! You're right, I better get ready. What is the best way to defend against your God? A knife, gun, missile, etc...? After all, I don't want to spend eternity beneath an evil dictator (your Heaven) and I don't want to be taken hostage and tortured for eternity (your Hell) ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #133 May 14, 2008 Quote Quote You had better get ready! You're right, I better get ready. What is the best way to defend against your God? A knife, gun, missile, etc...? After all, I don't want to spend eternity beneath an evil dictator (your Heaven) and I don't want to be taken hostage and tortured for eternity (your Hell) ... Easy, just stay away from the light or hole or whatever it is when you die, so that you can roam the earth as a ghost going "boo!" just for shits and giggles. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #134 May 14, 2008 another stupid idiotic reply...shows you don't know anything either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #135 May 14, 2008 His language is digging a hole he will never get out of. There is no way to defend yourself against God....He is in charge, and nothing you can do will ever give you power over Him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #136 May 14, 2008 DZ.COM seems to be full of people who simply do not understand. The entire Bible was written by God ( Jesus) and there is so much to learn from it. Try it and make yourself educated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #137 May 14, 2008 Do you think you actually know anything? After all, you've based what you know on an ambiguous book and voices you heard in your head."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #138 May 14, 2008 QuoteHe is in charge, and nothing you can do will ever give you power over Him. Sounds like a dictator ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #139 May 14, 2008 I think that I believe a lot of the same things that you believe. I'm just not a Christian and I don't believe in God, so we have a different language for describing the things we believe. I can read what you write about Jesus and translate most of it into something that makes sense to me, but I don't accept God or Jesus being the son of God as literal truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #140 May 14, 2008 You forgot to include all the mass killing done by US troops since America was first begun. Start with the North American Indians. Add all the wars like Korea, Vietnam ( where the USA got its butt kicked...and rightly so) and where Americans murdered thousands of civilians. Ask your HEEEERROOO John McCain who bombed civilians. Make that nutbar your president??? Iraq, where hundred of thousands are dead because of the USA aggression, including well over 4000 of its own. Two years ago, a report was stated in the news, and noone picked up on it. It said that if a US Soldier in Iraq gets badly wounded, and is shipped of to the US hospital in Germany, and he dies there, he IS NOT COUNTED ASA US Iraq war dead, because he didnt die in Iraq. Therefore how many Americans have really been killed in the Iraq war?? The Bush Cheney team is filled with liars who manipulate the American public who isnt smart enough to really know what is happening. Bush knows you cannot check it out, so the lie continues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #141 May 14, 2008 Quote I can read what you write about Jesus and translate most of it into something that makes sense to me, You can? Do you use Babelfish or Google translate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #142 May 14, 2008 QuoteYou say that, without knowing anything about what I know from ( between my father and myself) over 75years of research. Stop showing ignorance. God is very very real, and one day YOU and everyone else will bow before Jesus Christ and verbally declare Him to be the Son of the Living God. You are not very convincing and neither is the bible. I think you are delusional and so was your father. After 75 years of research you have no evidence to support your claims. You take a conclusion and then look for anything to support it and discard anything that doesn't. That is a piss poor way of researching and has no credibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #143 May 14, 2008 Quote Do you think you actually know anything? After all, you've based what you know on an ambiguous book and voices you heard in your head. You talk exactly like I'd expect an atheist to, but you say you're not one. Make up your mind. You're either with Him, or you ain't. Or, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way)"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #144 May 14, 2008 QuoteYou take a conclusion and then look for anything to support it and discard anything that doesn't. That is a piss poor way of researching and has no credibility. I don't think that's altogether accurate. Anything that doesn't support the foregone conclusion goes in the "God works in mysterious ways" or "It's God's will" category and is subsequently claimed to evidence in support of the conclusion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #145 May 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou take a conclusion and then look for anything to support it and discard anything that doesn't. That is a piss poor way of researching and has no credibility. I don't think that's altogether accurate. Anything that doesn't support the foregone conclusion goes in the "God works in mysterious ways" or "It's God's will" category and is subsequently claimed to evidence in support of the conclusion. Yeah I forgot about that. That just makes it even more questionable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #146 May 14, 2008 QuoteOr, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way) an agnostic admits he doesn't "know" either way an apathetic doesn't 'care' either way don't know, don't care ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #147 May 14, 2008 Quote Quote Or, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way) an agnostic admits he doesn't "know" either way an apathetic doesn't 'care' either way don't know, don't care Ah, thanks for the clarification... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #148 May 14, 2008 Quote Make up your mind. You're either with Him, or you ain't. That's not true... someone could be a Budhist or a Muslim and although they are not a Christian they are not an atheist which is someone who rejects thesim... or touts the nonexistence of God(s)... (or as others have suggested, the OP could be agnostic or apathetic...) athesim is merely one possiblity of many that someone can be if they aren't christian.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #149 May 14, 2008 Quote You forgot to include all the mass killing done by US troops since America was first begun. Start with the North American Indians. Add all the wars like Korea, Vietnam ( where the USA got its butt kicked...and rightly so) and where Americans murdered thousands of civilians. Ask your HEEEERROOO John McCain who bombed civilians. Make that nutbar your president??? Hey we managed to get a few white eyes...lets not forget thatKorea was an attempt to stop agression by a despotic group of northerners with Russian and Chinese support. They are the ones who invaded and then were driven back. Look at the contrast today between NK and how its people live and how SK has blossomed into a thriving modern country. Uh.. the US did NOT get its butt kicked in Vietnam... EVERY major battle that the US engaged in was won by the US. If anything the US is guilty of going there without a clear strategy of how to win the war..not just the battles. It was rather used as a testing ground for new weapons and a chance to train a new class of warriors since the old ones were getting too old from WWII and Korea. There was also that pesky.. willingness to show the Soviets we were indeed capable of engaging them in one way or another. As far as bombing civilians.. IF.. the US had decided to take off the gloves in the NAM... there would be a HELL of a lot less Vietnamese today. Targets were selected on some kind of voodoo intelligence.. but actually bombing the civilian centers of Hanoi, Hai Phong etc were not policy certainly not as was done to Japan or GErmany.. and as the old saying goes War is hell. Bombs of the day were not smart.. it was a shooting war.. the best way to not have a war is to negotiate a peace.. and that was what was finally done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #150 May 14, 2008 Quote Quote Make up your mind. You're either with Him, or you ain't. That's not true... someone could be a Budhist or a Muslim and although they are not a Christian they are not an atheist which is someone who rejects thesim... or touts the nonexistence of God(s)... (or as others have suggested, the OP could be agnostic or apathetic...) athesim is merely one possiblity of many that someone can be if they aren't christian. Point noted. Just trying to understand Butters' reasoning. People of all religions have suffered. If he can't accept our Christian God as a loving God, I have no problem with that, but whatever religion he follows, that God isn't any more loving or hateful, IMO."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
