skydyvr 0 #51 May 8, 2008 Quote Why would a King of England be needed to authorize the word of god? Dude, stop asking silly questions. It is a purposefully mysterious and complicated procedure God is going through to bring about The End, and only Chuteless is privy to the details of His actual plan, which God keeps changing apparently as time rolls forward. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #52 May 8, 2008 Quote Quote Why would a King of England be needed to authorize the word of god? Dude, stop asking silly questions. It is a purposefully mysterious and complicated procedure God is going through to bring about The End, and only Chuteless is privy to the details of His actual plan, which God keeps changing apparently as time rolls forward. I saw this show last night, before changing the channel to the ghost investigation... that focused on the theories of the end times as interpreted in Revelations. It is wide open to interpretation, and could mean almost anything, but one thing we have seen over the last 150 years or so are doomsday cults predicting the end of the world that never came. People selling all their worldly possessions and giving the proceeds to their "messiah" cult leaders and waiting for that day that never came. I dunno. Some people say it'll come in our lifetime and I read somewhere that Nostradamus predicted that it would happen during the reign of the 2nd pope after John Paul the 2nd, which means the next pope after Benedict. My details are fuzzy so don't take my word for it. I just don't care. I'll just continue to live my life and raise my daughter and love my wife for as long as I'm able to."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #53 May 8, 2008 QuoteAre translations into other languages also the word of God? What if a particular language didn't have a word that directly translated? Would a different word also be the word of God? Don't be so ridiculous! The word of god is strictly reserved for English speaking caucasians.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #54 May 8, 2008 Quote The definitive WORD of God is the Authorized King James Bible....NOT the New King James. So the Greeks had it all wrong and it took until the early 1600's for a few smart English folks to translate the "definitive word of God" from the original Greek texts? And if man had nothing to do with it then what about all of those other books that were culled out of the final version? Why didn't Judas' gospel make the cut? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #55 May 8, 2008 QuoteSome people say it'll come in our lifetime and I read somewhere that Nostradamus predicted that it would happen during the reign of the 2nd pope after John Paul the 2nd, which means the next pope after Benedict. 2012 is my odds-on favorite. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #56 May 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe definitive WORD of God is the Authorized King James Bible....NOT the New King James. Why would a King of England be needed to authorize the word of God? Further, if the King didn't authorize a particular passage, what effect would that have had? Are translations into other languages also the word of God? What if a particular language didn't have a word that directly translated? Would a different word also be the word of God? Dude, he didn't say King James authorized his version, but rather WAS Authorized to translate it into English. Prior to that translation, it was not the authorized word of god. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #57 May 8, 2008 Quote Dude, he didn't say King James authorized his version, but rather WAS Authorized to translate it into English. Prior to that translation, it was not the authorized word of god. So all those poor folks prior to 1600, having a bad Bible version, surely went to hell. That's a boatload of wasted souls. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #58 May 8, 2008 Besides, King James was a notorious HOMO (and I'm not making that up, he was a real terror with the young boys). Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #59 May 8, 2008 Quote Quote Dude, he didn't say King James authorized his version, but rather WAS Authorized to translate it into English. Prior to that translation, it was not the authorized word of god. So all those poor folks prior to 1600, having a bad Bible version, surely went to hell. That's a boatload of wasted souls. And everyone since then who hasn't learned to read English. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #60 May 8, 2008 Quote So, I see that you agree there is truth in the Bible. I believe you just paraphrased the great King Solomon. There is nothing new under the sun. Of course there is truth in the variety of Bibles out there. In addition to the mythology, it is a 3rd or 7th hand accounting of actual events from the time. And many characteristics of man hasn't change. But I can't stop laughing when people write that their bible is the only true one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #61 May 8, 2008 >So all those poor folks prior to 1600, having a bad Bible version, surely went to hell. Yep - especially those poor people who actually knew Jesus. Who could have known that they'd have to wait 1600 years to find out what Jesus _really_ said? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #62 May 8, 2008 Quote Yep - especially those poor people who actually knew Jesus. Who could have known that they'd have to wait 1600 years to find out what Jesus _really_ said? Oooh, that's a gotta sting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #63 May 9, 2008 Your remark is certainly one that shows how little you know about this topic. The misguided tales of King James being a homosexual was set in motion by the Catholic Church of those times to discredit King James. If you think the Catholic Church is above such actions, I suggest you read something on the inquisitions where the Catholic Church tortured and savagely murdered anyone who was in opposition to their doctrine. If you think for one moment that a Holy and Rightoeus God would turn over the final translation, (which took from 1607 to 1611 ) of His Holy WORD to a homosexual who He declares repeatedly to be an abomination to Him, you are compounding your lack of intellect. Its comments like yours that perpetuate lies and ignorance of a given topic. edited for a spelling error. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #64 May 9, 2008 QuoteIf you think for one moment that a Holy and Rightoeus God would turn over the final translation, (which took from 1607 to 1611 ) of His Holy WORD to a homosexual who He declares repeatedly to be an abomination to Him, you are compounding your lack of intellect. Well, just going out on a limb here, but tbrown probably doesn't think for a moment that the KJV is the final translation of the holy word so the basis for your insult is null and void. You really should pay more attention to what you read. Probably why you've made so many mistakes with your prophecies, eh?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #65 May 9, 2008 >If you think for one moment that a Holy and Rightoeus God would >turn over the final translation of His Holy WORD . . . I am sure you know this, but there were a great many translations of the Bible that took place after that time as well. Also, I seem to recall that you do not feel that earlier versions of the Bible are accurate. If that's the case, is "translation" the right word? Translation means changing from one language to another without changing anything factually. The term "adaptation" means taking the gist of something and translating it into another form; perhaps that would be a better description of what you think occurred. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #66 May 9, 2008 QuoteImagine how bad hurricane Katrina would have been if no one evacuated and everyone lived in shanties ... Very good point on why their disasters are so often so disastrous. I mean, they have a train derailment and 8,000 people die. Mostly because there were 400 people on the train and 7,600 hanging all over the outside of the thing when it rolled over. Ever ride a bus in a 3rd world countrry? We were in Kenya and a bus with about 20 seats had easily twice that number inside, and about 200 hanging all over the outside. OK, a slight exxageration, but . . ." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #67 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhich god are you referring to? There are so many to choose from. God of all Gods. The one that says "I am that I am".Quote No no. That's Neil Diamond." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #68 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteGod was speaking to Moses at the time, Exactly, at the time. Not so chatty now, is he? He's just resting. Beautiful plummage though." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #69 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuote The bible says the world will be destroyed the second time by fire, how much of the earth's surface burned up last year, and this year already? Did any? Remember, last year was a cooling year. May or may not be significant in the longer running trend, but definitely was colder. Seems more likely that god would send the hurricane/typhoons after us. If I were Him, I'd send Richard Simmons. Is there any more annoying person on Earth?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #70 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo, I see that you agree there is truth in the Bible. I believe you just paraphrased the great King Solomon. There is nothing new under the sun. No, I did not say that. There's loads and loads of new stuff under the sun. Just not the stuff that people point to and say "OMG it's like the apocalypse!!1!". What's for dinner? The apocalypse. Not the apocalypse again!" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #71 May 9, 2008 Here is a criticism of the whole "King James Version Only" school of thought: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/kjvo.htm excerpt: QuoteFurthermore, the modern KJV edition that you read from is probably not the 1611. It's probably the Blayney edition of 1769. The 1611 edition of the KJV underwent various changes in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1762 and 1769. With this in mind, which edition of the KJV do you like the best? Why do you favor that particular edition over the other editions? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #72 May 9, 2008 Yeah, 2012 is the hot ticket right now for the sheisters looking to fleece the ignorant masses of a few dollars. But as it closes in, they will change that, or have some off-the-wall psuedo-scientific babble on why it didn't happen . . . . again. I was watching a few minutes of one of the woo-woo shows that are coming to dominate the History Channel and one of the "experts" on the Mayan calendar scare was already hedging in saying that there is a plus or minus factor of several decades to that whole sham. The running score since 1900: End of the world predictions - 0 Times the world has survived - 70 (approx.)" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #73 May 10, 2008 Your " probably this ", and "probably that" theories do not count for much, and indicate much guessing and little actual knowledge. Your argument would not stand up in a court of law for two seconds. The Authorized King James Version of 1611 the definitive WORD of God. Work began on it in 1607 and ended in 1611. This Bible was published for the good of mankind, not the financial reward of the publishers, or the King. I recently had in my possession an original King James Bible that was printed in 1615, and aside from the letter "s" that looked like an "f", it was basically the same as the 4 King James versions that I now use. There have been countless Bibles printed since then, but they are perverions of God's WORD, not " versions". The majority have ben written in the last 150 years, mainly by Zondervan Publishing in Grand Rapid, Michigan. They even printed a Bible for Homosexuals and Lesbians.....what perversion that is. Of course, they will print any version as long as they make money from it. Zondervan also makes sure they put a " copyright" on what they say is the WORD of God, so they can go after anyone who uses more than a certain amount of what is written in their versions. The New Intnl Version has left out, or radically changed more than 65000 words or phrases, even some of the most basicly important phrases that define Christ's death and resurrection. I "favour" the Authorized King James because it is God's version, written by Him through His servants and prophets, and He directed it down through the centuries to become His final and authoritative version. I could absolutely prove this to you if it was ever possible to sit and discuss it, ( highly unlikely) and you would not be able to claim any other version as the WORD of God, because they are NOT, and with any amount of Spiritual understanding you might possess, I am totally confident that you would agree with what I have said. Looking at your "criticism of the KJV, the first thing Isaw is the name of a good friend of mine, Gail Riplinger, who lives in Ararat , Virgina. I have been to her home and discussed these things with her and her family. She has written a very large book on all the changes that modern Bibles have made in the text, and I can tell you, she sure knows what she is talking about. She is a very dedicated KJv person. Read her books, and learn a lot. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #74 May 10, 2008 The King James Bible was the first time all the original scriptures that had been written and passed down through the centuries were finally brought together in London,England, under God's direction. As someone asked, why wasn't some scripture alleged to have been written by Judas included. The answer to that is simple, God directed the scriptures HE wanted to end up in the hands of King James and his workers, and nothing that would be considered offensive toGod would ever " make the cut" Of course the originals writings were still in other languages when theY got to King James, and God directed the translation of every word to be as HE wanted it. HOW MUCH I WOULD LIKE TO SIT A DOZEN OF YOU PEOPLE DOWN IN A LECTURE ROOM WHERE I COULD USE A BLACKBOARD TO SHOW YOU THE DEPTH OF THE WONDERS OF GOD. WOW!!!!!!! As it states in God's WORD, " We also have a more sure word of prophecy, knowing this first, that NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE is OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION, for the prophecy came not in old time by the WILL OF MAN, but by Holy men who were moved by the Holy Spirit " ( 2nd Peter 1:20 ). ALL SCRIPTURE is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for instruction in righteousness," ( 2nd Timothy 3:16) PROVERBS: To know wisdom and instruction, to perceive the words of understanding, (Proverbs 1:2 ) and to understand a proverb and the interpretation, the words of the wise and their dark sayings, ( Proverbs 1:6) ALL these things are directed by Almighty God down through the ages of TIME, and read the last couple of verse of Revelation to see what will happen to those who try to change God's WORD. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #75 May 10, 2008 QuoteThe King James Bible was the first time all the original scriptures that had been written and passed down through the centuries were finally brought together in London,England, under God's direction. So God directed it, but who "authorized" it? Surely not God, since that he can only exist as on faith, not proof. (theorem by Douglas Adams). You have to do better than "if I had you in a room, I could prove it to you." I sense a non zero risk that in such a circumstance non believers would be executed via koolaid or molten lava. The Book of Mormon purports to be the word of God as directed by the Almighty via Joseph Smith. Prove the KJB is better, more authentic than the Book of Mormon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 15 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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pirana 0 #68 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteGod was speaking to Moses at the time, Exactly, at the time. Not so chatty now, is he? He's just resting. Beautiful plummage though." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #69 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuote The bible says the world will be destroyed the second time by fire, how much of the earth's surface burned up last year, and this year already? Did any? Remember, last year was a cooling year. May or may not be significant in the longer running trend, but definitely was colder. Seems more likely that god would send the hurricane/typhoons after us. If I were Him, I'd send Richard Simmons. Is there any more annoying person on Earth?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #70 May 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo, I see that you agree there is truth in the Bible. I believe you just paraphrased the great King Solomon. There is nothing new under the sun. No, I did not say that. There's loads and loads of new stuff under the sun. Just not the stuff that people point to and say "OMG it's like the apocalypse!!1!". What's for dinner? The apocalypse. Not the apocalypse again!" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #71 May 9, 2008 Here is a criticism of the whole "King James Version Only" school of thought: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/kjvo.htm excerpt: QuoteFurthermore, the modern KJV edition that you read from is probably not the 1611. It's probably the Blayney edition of 1769. The 1611 edition of the KJV underwent various changes in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1762 and 1769. With this in mind, which edition of the KJV do you like the best? Why do you favor that particular edition over the other editions? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #72 May 9, 2008 Yeah, 2012 is the hot ticket right now for the sheisters looking to fleece the ignorant masses of a few dollars. But as it closes in, they will change that, or have some off-the-wall psuedo-scientific babble on why it didn't happen . . . . again. I was watching a few minutes of one of the woo-woo shows that are coming to dominate the History Channel and one of the "experts" on the Mayan calendar scare was already hedging in saying that there is a plus or minus factor of several decades to that whole sham. The running score since 1900: End of the world predictions - 0 Times the world has survived - 70 (approx.)" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #73 May 10, 2008 Your " probably this ", and "probably that" theories do not count for much, and indicate much guessing and little actual knowledge. Your argument would not stand up in a court of law for two seconds. The Authorized King James Version of 1611 the definitive WORD of God. Work began on it in 1607 and ended in 1611. This Bible was published for the good of mankind, not the financial reward of the publishers, or the King. I recently had in my possession an original King James Bible that was printed in 1615, and aside from the letter "s" that looked like an "f", it was basically the same as the 4 King James versions that I now use. There have been countless Bibles printed since then, but they are perverions of God's WORD, not " versions". The majority have ben written in the last 150 years, mainly by Zondervan Publishing in Grand Rapid, Michigan. They even printed a Bible for Homosexuals and Lesbians.....what perversion that is. Of course, they will print any version as long as they make money from it. Zondervan also makes sure they put a " copyright" on what they say is the WORD of God, so they can go after anyone who uses more than a certain amount of what is written in their versions. The New Intnl Version has left out, or radically changed more than 65000 words or phrases, even some of the most basicly important phrases that define Christ's death and resurrection. I "favour" the Authorized King James because it is God's version, written by Him through His servants and prophets, and He directed it down through the centuries to become His final and authoritative version. I could absolutely prove this to you if it was ever possible to sit and discuss it, ( highly unlikely) and you would not be able to claim any other version as the WORD of God, because they are NOT, and with any amount of Spiritual understanding you might possess, I am totally confident that you would agree with what I have said. Looking at your "criticism of the KJV, the first thing Isaw is the name of a good friend of mine, Gail Riplinger, who lives in Ararat , Virgina. I have been to her home and discussed these things with her and her family. She has written a very large book on all the changes that modern Bibles have made in the text, and I can tell you, she sure knows what she is talking about. She is a very dedicated KJv person. Read her books, and learn a lot. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #74 May 10, 2008 The King James Bible was the first time all the original scriptures that had been written and passed down through the centuries were finally brought together in London,England, under God's direction. As someone asked, why wasn't some scripture alleged to have been written by Judas included. The answer to that is simple, God directed the scriptures HE wanted to end up in the hands of King James and his workers, and nothing that would be considered offensive toGod would ever " make the cut" Of course the originals writings were still in other languages when theY got to King James, and God directed the translation of every word to be as HE wanted it. HOW MUCH I WOULD LIKE TO SIT A DOZEN OF YOU PEOPLE DOWN IN A LECTURE ROOM WHERE I COULD USE A BLACKBOARD TO SHOW YOU THE DEPTH OF THE WONDERS OF GOD. WOW!!!!!!! As it states in God's WORD, " We also have a more sure word of prophecy, knowing this first, that NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE is OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION, for the prophecy came not in old time by the WILL OF MAN, but by Holy men who were moved by the Holy Spirit " ( 2nd Peter 1:20 ). ALL SCRIPTURE is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for instruction in righteousness," ( 2nd Timothy 3:16) PROVERBS: To know wisdom and instruction, to perceive the words of understanding, (Proverbs 1:2 ) and to understand a proverb and the interpretation, the words of the wise and their dark sayings, ( Proverbs 1:6) ALL these things are directed by Almighty God down through the ages of TIME, and read the last couple of verse of Revelation to see what will happen to those who try to change God's WORD. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #75 May 10, 2008 QuoteThe King James Bible was the first time all the original scriptures that had been written and passed down through the centuries were finally brought together in London,England, under God's direction. So God directed it, but who "authorized" it? Surely not God, since that he can only exist as on faith, not proof. (theorem by Douglas Adams). You have to do better than "if I had you in a room, I could prove it to you." I sense a non zero risk that in such a circumstance non believers would be executed via koolaid or molten lava. The Book of Mormon purports to be the word of God as directed by the Almighty via Joseph Smith. Prove the KJB is better, more authentic than the Book of Mormon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
