Is God trying to tell us something?

[Butters 0]

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Do you think you actually know anything? After all, you've based what you know on an ambiguous book and voices you heard in your head.

You talk exactly like I'd expect an atheist to, but you say you're not one.

Correct.

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Make up your mind. You're either with Him, or you ain't.

I didn't realize those were my only options.

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Or, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way)

Another option! So now I can either be an Atheist who doesn't believe, an Agnostic who doesn't care, or a Christian?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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>Read what happened in the Book of Genesis . . .

Too self-contradictory for me to take it very seriously.

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Too self-contradictory for me to take it very seriously.

Come on Bill , there is a whole lot of Begattin in the book....drama...intrigue...mystery.

[BillyVance 35]

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Do you think you actually know anything? After all, you've based what you know on an ambiguous book and voices you heard in your head.

You talk exactly like I'd expect an atheist to, but you say you're not one.

Correct.

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Make up your mind. You're either with Him, or you ain't.

I didn't realize those were my only options.

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Or, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way)

Another option! So now I can either be an Atheist who doesn't believe, an Agnostic who doesn't care, or a Christian?

Or an Apathetic, doesn't care and doesn't know anything, but I suspect you're not that.

Or you could follow any of the other major religions or hundreds of their offshoots and sects...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[BillyVance 35]

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Too self-contradictory for me to take it very seriously.

Come on Bill , there is a whole lot of Begattin in the book....drama...intrigue...mystery.

Not to mention the first murder!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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Point noted. Just trying to understand Butters' reasoning. People of all religions have suffered. If he can't accept our Christian God as a loving God, I have no problem with that, but whatever religion he follows, that God isn't any more loving or hateful, IMO.

Certainly but at the moment the emphasis is on the wrath of God suggesting that God is trying to tell us something by causing a Tsunami, cyclone, and earthquake...

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

[Butters 0]

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People of all religions have suffered.

Fixed it for you.

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If he can't accept our Christian God as a loving God, I have no problem with that, but whatever religion he follows, that God isn't any more loving or hateful, IMO.

All I'm saying is that your God is to a loving God what Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... is to a loving human.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[BillyVance 35]

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Point noted. Just trying to understand Butters' reasoning. People of all religions have suffered. If he can't accept our Christian God as a loving God, I have no problem with that, but whatever religion he follows, that God isn't any more loving or hateful, IMO.

Certainly but at the moment the emphasis is on the wrath of God suggesting that God is trying to tell us something by causing a Tsunami, cyclone, and earthquake...

I would rather God destroy the offending rulers and oppressive governments and help the common people take over. I guess one could look at it this way, throw a catastrophe at the offending country and make an example out of them. Kind of like Sodom and Gomorrha being destroyed, or Moses coming down the mountain to find his people corrupted and with the power of God, struck them down. Or hell, Moses bringing the 7 plagues upon Egypt, just to get his people out of bondage.

Yeah, in each case, some innocent people suffered.

The disasters in Asia are just on a mind-boggling scale, acts of God or not.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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I'm an agnostic (who cares), I don't follow a religion. All I'm saying is that your God is to a loving God what Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... is to a loving human.

Not to muck the waters anymore but unless you are an agonstic theist most beliefs would consider you to fall with in the atheist realm.

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

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People of all religions have suffered.

Fixed it for you.

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If he can't accept our Christian God as a loving God, I have no problem with that, but whatever religion he follows, that God isn't any more loving or hateful, IMO.

All I'm saying is that your God is to a loving God what Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... is to a loving human.

Chuteless? You got an answer for this?

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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I would rather God destroy the offending rulers and oppressive governments and help the common people take over. I guess one could look at it this way, throw a catastrophe at the offending country and make an example out of them. Kind of like Sodom and Gomorrha being destroyed, or Moses coming down the mountain to find his people corrupted and with the power of God, struck them down. Or hell, Moses bringing the 7 plagues upon Egypt, just to get his people out of bondage.

Are you telling me that your all knowing God didn't know how people would react before your God created them? Doesn't sound all knowing ...

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Yeah, in each case, some innocent people suffered.

Are you telling me that your all powerful God couldn't punish only the guilty? Doesn't sound all powerful ...

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The disasters in Asia are just on a mind-boggling scale, acts of God or not.

Agreed.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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The disasters in Asia are just on a mind-boggling scale, acts of God or not.

I agree completely... but due to my ignorance (I'm just a simple human being) I'm not willing to suggest that there is any deeper meaning beyond it being a devistating natural disaster.

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

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I would rather God destroy the offending rulers and oppressive governments and help the common people take over.

You must be joking. "common people"?! Where do you think govenments come from? Oppressive or not governments are made up of people common or other wise. Get rid of one ruler and the next may or may not be better. Get rid of one Gov and the next may or may not be better. We have the Gov our culture creates. We as a collective are responsible for the Gov in place.

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The disasters in Asia are just on a mind-boggling scale, acts of God or not.

I agree completely... but due to my ignorance (I'm just a simple human being) I'm not willing to suggest that there is any deeper meaning beyond it being a devistating natural disaster.

There may not be. I just felt like stirring up a hornet's nest in here, and see what happens. Kind of like God seems to do.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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The disasters in Asia are just on a mind-boggling scale, acts of God or not.

I agree completely... but due to my ignorance (I'm just a simple human being) I'm not willing to suggest that there is any deeper meaning beyond it being a devistating natural disaster.

There may not be. I just felt like stirring up a hornet's nest in here, and see what happens.

Discussion, intelligent or otherwise, is almost always a good thing... if for nothing else entertainment purposes.

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

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There may not be. I just felt like stirring up a hornet's nest in here, and see what happens. Kind of like God seems to do.

Ah, so you're just playing god. Well that explains what this thread is all about.

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You forgot to include all the mass killing done by US troops since America was first begun.

Start with the North American Indians.

Add all the wars like Korea, Vietnam ( where the USA got its butt kicked...and rightly so) and where Americans murdered thousands of civilians.

Ask your HEEEERROOO John McCain who bombed civilians. Make that nutbar your president???

Iraq, where hundred of thousands are dead because of the USA aggression, including well over 4000 of its own.

Two years ago, a report was stated in the news, and noone picked up on it.

It said that if a US Soldier in Iraq gets badly wounded, and is shipped of to the US hospital in Germany, and he dies there, he IS NOT COUNTED ASA US Iraq war dead, because he didnt die in Iraq.

Therefore how many Americans have really been killed in the Iraq war??

The Bush Cheney team is filled with liars who manipulate the American public who isnt smart enough to really know what is happening. Bush knows you cannot check it out, so the lie continues.

Relevance to my post?

John McCain is definitely not my hero, I am firm in my opinion we do not belong in Iraq, and the list is about civilian genocide - - so I can't figure out why you mention deaths of soldiers.

The point made is that a prediction of the mass murder of civilians is hardly proof of anything other than that governments and leaders seem to occasionally kill off significant chunks of their citizenry.

Logic; it's not for everybody.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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You talk exactly like I'd expect an atheist to, but you say you're not one.

Make up your mind. You're either with Him, or you ain't.

Or, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way)

Strictly speaking, an agnostic believes it is impossible to know for certain, and may or may not care.

A skeptic questions all the assumptions and doubts God exists.

An atheist believes God does not exist.

Don't know what they call someone who does not care. Anybody got a term for that.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Or, are you an agnostic? - (doesn't care either way)

an agnostic admits he doesn't "know" either way
an apathetic doesn't 'care' either way

don't know, don't care

Thank you. Didn't see that before I posted.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[chuteless 1]

From your comments I suggest you are referrig to the meaning of "love" by American standards, when they show hw much the love Iraqi people, or Iraqi oil.

You have no idea of God and His eternal being, and you with your small minded attitude think you have the answers, and you have None.

Get a life before this one ends.

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How unusual I find that. I actually thought you of all the posters here had an intelligent mind.

I am surprised you cannot understand Genesis.
However, I do recall once before you showed that you didnt understand the account of creation,

Too bad.

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Get a life before this one ends.

I already have one. Are you suggesting that I can get another before the one I already have ends? I'm not sure I could handle two lives but I'm willing to give it a shot ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I mentioned the hidden deaths of US soldiers to prove a point, that governments lie lie lie, like Jeremiah Wright recently said.

The Nazis lied to the German people, and the entire country suffered because the blindly followed whatever Joseph Goebbels told them.

Look up Major John Covington, US Cavalry, and see how on behalf of the US Government, he massacred hundreds of innocent Indians at Sand Creek.
A disgusting example of Americanism..

Look into the facts about the real number of dead American soldiers in the Iraq war.....I would guess it to be about 6000+

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If you can get a life, it could only be an improvement of intelligence from what you exhibit now.

Anything would help.

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If you can get a life, it could only be an improvement of intelligence from what you exhibit now.

Anything would help.

Do you really think if you had a little chat with Jesus, in person, he would agree with how you treat people in responses like this one? It's the arrogance of "Christians" like this, self-righteous and hypocritical in their behavior and treatment of others, that drove me away from Christianity. Is that truly the effect you want to have on people? You might want to step back and do a little re-evaluation of how your words come across on here.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda