kallend 2,148 #26 May 6, 2008 Bad form to post a rant like that without a source.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #27 May 6, 2008 I found it on the internet, it must be true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #28 May 6, 2008 I believe I am just going to worry more about the General Aviation fee proposal affecting my skydiving than I am about a govt agency restricting access to a place I likely would never set foot on anyway. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #29 May 6, 2008 QuoteI found it on the internet, it must be true. It reads like the author is a spoiled child who had his toy taken away.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 May 6, 2008 It was from a source promoting tourism to the area. http://www.picacho.org/dangers/asbestos.html Which has this at the bottom of the page... Copyright ©, 2006 Three Rocks Research. Updated April 28, 2008 With the link pointing to http://www.3rocks.org/ When you go to the sat photo of the area... you see interesting white patches .. the old mines...that aint snow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #31 May 6, 2008 This study (http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/2/179?ck=nck) examined the "amphibole hypothesis" (the idea that the effects of asbestos are due to amphibole, and chrysotile is safe) and found no difference between amphibole and chrysotile asbestos for health risk. Sorry, but the pdf is too big to attach. Health issues aside, would it be safe to assume that if we had to choose between protecting the only known population of an endangered species and having one more place to ride your ATV, you'd side with the ATV? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 May 6, 2008 QuoteHealth issues aside, would it be safe to assume that if we had to choose between protecting the only known population of an endangered species and having one more place to ride your ATV, you'd side with the ATV? As I suggested, it's not really a case of "one more place" in California. There are very few available areas, despite the landmass and the 38 million residents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #33 May 6, 2008 Quote I believe I am just going to worry more about the General Aviation fee proposal affecting my skydiving than I am about a govt agency restricting access to a place I likely would never set foot on anyway. What are you going to do when they decide that jumping out of airplanes is dangerous to your health and they decide they are not going to allow us to use our public airports to do it anymore? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 May 6, 2008 QuoteThere are very few available areas, despite the landmass and the 38 million residents. Nothing a good pandemic would not cure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #35 May 6, 2008 Quote Quote I believe I am just going to worry more about the General Aviation fee proposal affecting my skydiving than I am about a govt agency restricting access to a place I likely would never set foot on anyway. What are you going to do when they decide that jumping out of airplanes is dangerous to your health and they decide they are not going to allow us to use our public airports to do it anymore? Of course that would bother me. Just not the issue this thread started with."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #36 May 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteThere are very few available areas, despite the landmass and the 38 million residents. Nothing a good pandemic would not cure. something in the water... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #37 May 6, 2008 Almost the exact same issue. One group figuring out how to stop another from doing something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #38 May 6, 2008 Quote Quote I believe I am just going to worry more about the General Aviation fee proposal affecting my skydiving than I am about a govt agency restricting access to a place I likely would never set foot on anyway. What are you going to do when they decide that jumping out of airplanes is dangerous to your health and they decide they are not going to allow us to use our public airports to do it anymore? If skydiving were endangering other people's health, then it would be a good analogy. As it is, it's a lousy analogy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 May 6, 2008 QuoteIf skydiving were endangering other people's health, then it would be a good analogy. As it is, it's a lousy analogy. People and planes falling out of the sky don't endanger others?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #40 May 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf skydiving were endangering other people's health, then it would be a good analogy. As it is, it's a lousy analogy. People and planes falling out of the sky don't endanger others?! Accident statistics would indicate that they don't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 May 6, 2008 so how many people that weren't riding ATVs suffered in this park? (or how many that are riding ATVs?) First you talked about the existence of threats, now about the signficance of the threat. The analogy certainly holds on the first, appears to on the second. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #42 May 7, 2008 That's kindof where I was going with that.There does not need to be an actual threat or danger, only a perceived threat or danger. When the tree huggers get tired of us burning jet fuel for fun all they have to do is sell someone on the danger and we are fucked. Kind of like the users of this area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 May 7, 2008 Quote There does not need to be an actual threat or danger, only a perceived threat or danger. When the tree huggers get tired of us burning jet fuel for fun all they have to do is sell someone on the danger and we are fucked. Kind of like the users of this area. The Loma Prieta (Bay Area) chapter of the Sierra Club is the worst example of what you cite. They don't even want to share the hiking paths with bicycles. And the well to do of Berkeley are so reluctant to share their hills with the football team 7 Saturdays a year that they'll use earthquake faults and the common Oak tree to stop it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #44 May 7, 2008 Quoteso how many people that weren't riding ATVs suffered in this park? (or how many that are riding ATVs?) . Unfortunately, with asbestosis, we will have to wait a couple of decades to find out. Then the victims die a nasty death.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 May 7, 2008 What most people in this country dont know is that there are mine sites all over this country that are nothing more than toxic cesspools left behind by companies and shareholders who made their profits.. then ran away from any responsibility of cleaning up their messes. This is just one of thousands of such places in the west that will be killing people and other animals for centuries to come.Most of the time it is out of site.. and cant possibly hurt you ...right?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
