JohnRich 4 #1 April 30, 2008 News:KNIFINGS AND SHOOTINGS UP AS MURDER RATE SOARS THERE has been a huge increase in being people shot, stabbed and even kicked to death since Labour came to power. Shocking statistics released last night show a 14 per cent increase in murder and manslaughter in England and Wales between 1998 and 2007. There was also a 28 per cent increase in deaths from bladed weapons. Those killed by shootings increased by the same figure. Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking...Source: Daily Express Yeah, those darned guns were the cause of violence in England."We would put more police on our streets to catch and deter criminals, as well as ensuring adequate prison capacity so that offenders are properly punished. We would also combat the scourge of drugs and address the causes of family breakdown.”Now they're finally getting somewhere. It's too bad they didn't figure this out until after all the privately held handguns and semi-auto long guns were confiscated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #2 April 30, 2008 Sadly, no amount of statistics will return their right to own firearms.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #3 April 30, 2008 Hey JohnRich, holy crab, you're back. Finally. You obviously needed several weeks to pitch on those news Who else than you could be capable to show the old world where they'd end fully armed? I. e. and f.e., facing US normal course of life. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #4 April 30, 2008 Quote Hey JohnRich, You obviously needed several weeks to pitch on those news Who else than you could be capable to show the old world where they'd end fully armed? I. e. and f.e., facing US normal course of life. ?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #5 April 30, 2008 QuoteSadly, no amount of statistics will return their right to own firearms. We already have that right, in fact we can own .50 Cal AWM rifles, can all americans say the same? We can't have pistols or centre fire semi automatic rifles which would be nice but its hardly the end of the world.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #6 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteSadly, no amount of statistics will return their right to own firearms. We already have that right, in fact we can own .50 Cal AWM rifles, can all americans say the same? We can't have pistols or centre fire semi automatic rifles which would be nice but its hardly the end of the world. As long as you are not in CA you can own a .50 caliber BMG rifle. And even the those in CA can own handguns and rifles. So good try at making yourself feel better.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #7 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteSadly, no amount of statistics will return their right to own firearms. We already have that right, in fact we can own .50 Cal AWM rifles, can all americans say the same? We can't have pistols or centre fire semi automatic rifles which would be nice but its hardly the end of the world. I certainly can't say that. California has the most ridiculous gun control laws which aren't working. What's the point of laws that don't do as intended? What sort of weapon can you own for home security?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #8 April 30, 2008 QuoteNews:KNIFINGS AND SHOOTINGS UP AS MURDER RATE SOARS THERE has been a huge increase in being people shot, stabbed and even kicked to death since Labour came to power. Shocking statistics released last night show a 14 per cent increase in murder and manslaughter in England and Wales between 1998 and 2007. There was also a 28 per cent increase in deaths from bladed weapons. Those killed by shootings increased by the same figure. Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking...Source: Daily Express Yeah, those darned guns were the cause of violence in England."We would put more police on our streets to catch and deter criminals, as well as ensuring adequate prison capacity so that offenders are properly punished. We would also combat the scourge of drugs and address the causes of family breakdown.”Now they're finally getting somewhere. It's too bad they didn't figure this out until after all the privately held handguns and semi-auto long guns were confiscated. Is calling someone a one trick pony a PA? Anyway, you are.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #9 April 30, 2008 Home security? Self-defence? In the UK? Not likely. I seem to recall the courts in the UK putting a homeowner (farmer?) in jail because he shot a burglar with a shotgun in self-defense..then he was sued by the burglar."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #10 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteNews:KNIFINGS AND SHOOTINGS UP AS MURDER RATE SOARS THERE has been a huge increase in being people shot, stabbed and even kicked to death since Labour came to power. Shocking statistics released last night show a 14 per cent increase in murder and manslaughter in England and Wales between 1998 and 2007. There was also a 28 per cent increase in deaths from bladed weapons. Those killed by shootings increased by the same figure. Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking...Source: Daily Express Yeah, those darned guns were the cause of violence in England."We would put more police on our streets to catch and deter criminals, as well as ensuring adequate prison capacity so that offenders are properly punished. We would also combat the scourge of drugs and address the causes of family breakdown.”Now they're finally getting somewhere. It's too bad they didn't figure this out until after all the privately held handguns and semi-auto long guns were confiscated. Is calling someone a one trick pony a PA? Anyway, you are. JohnRich feels strongly about 2nd amendment rights. As do I. Feel free to disagree.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #11 April 30, 2008 QuoteHome security? Self-defence? In the UK? Not likely. I seem to recall the courts in the UK putting a homeowner (farmer?) in jail because he shot a burglar with a shotgun in self-defense..then he was sued by the burglar. There has to be more to that story.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 April 30, 2008 Yes there is more to it .... He shot someone in the back with a shotgun ... Jolly bad form. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #13 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNews:KNIFINGS AND SHOOTINGS UP AS MURDER RATE SOARS THERE has been a huge increase in being people shot, stabbed and even kicked to death since Labour came to power. Shocking statistics released last night show a 14 per cent increase in murder and manslaughter in England and Wales between 1998 and 2007. There was also a 28 per cent increase in deaths from bladed weapons. Those killed by shootings increased by the same figure. Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking...Source: Daily Express Yeah, those darned guns were the cause of violence in England."We would put more police on our streets to catch and deter criminals, as well as ensuring adequate prison capacity so that offenders are properly punished. We would also combat the scourge of drugs and address the causes of family breakdown.”Now they're finally getting somewhere. It's too bad they didn't figure this out until after all the privately held handguns and semi-auto long guns were confiscated. Is calling someone a one trick pony a PA? Anyway, you are. JohnRich feels strongly about 2nd amendment rights. As do I. Feel free to disagree. But on this forum its been so trodden. He's not going to convert anyone - certainly not anyone living in the UK - so why the constant posts on the subject?Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #14 April 30, 2008 Quote Quote Hey JohnRich, You obviously needed several weeks to pitch on those news Who else than you could be capable to show the old world where they'd end fully armed? I. e. and f.e., facing US normal course of life. ?????? Sarky. OK. Let me explain in other words with my poor English skills: JR really is a specialist in showing us old world folks where one day, we all will end if we insist on living without weapons: We all will go to hell or beeing killed before. So in his idea, we need to be armed, like life actually is in the US. (Sarky, dear) Bud: Instead of that, we'll proceed to live in peace and freedom without bullets blowing around our heads. Is that clear enough, now? In other words: If we'd like to be fully armed (like "you"), we'd end like you US guys - something, no one wants over here. No weapons in public, in private, not concealed, even if there are specialists like JR trying to convince the Europeans from the contrary Boah. Tried my best. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 April 30, 2008 Off topic, but I like the way John is posting news articles now. The source is clear, the snippet covers the topic well enough to allow you to decide if you want the whole article, and his comments are clearly separated. be nice if others could follow the example. Instead we get garbage postings that are: "[hyperlink]. Discuss." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #16 May 1, 2008 How does the 2007 UK homicide rate compare with the 2007 USA homicide rate? I'd hate to think JR was throwing stones from a glass house.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 May 1, 2008 Quote How does the 2007 UK homicide rate compare with the 2007 USA homicide rate? I'd hate to think JR was throwing stones from a glass house. Speaking of glass houses....find those Koch postulate proofs yet, Professor? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 May 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote News: KNIFINGS AND SHOOTINGS UP AS MURDER RATE SOARS THERE has been a huge increase in being people shot, stabbed and even kicked to death since Labour came to power. Shocking statistics released last night show a 14 per cent increase in murder and manslaughter in England and Wales between 1998 and 2007. There was also a 28 per cent increase in deaths from bladed weapons. Those killed by shootings increased by the same figure. Most shockingly, there was a 57 per cent increase in deaths caused by punching and kicking... Source: Daily Express Yeah, those darned guns were the cause of violence in England."We would put more police on our streets to catch and deter criminals, as well as ensuring adequate prison capacity so that offenders are properly punished. We would also combat the scourge of drugs and address the causes of family breakdown.”Now they're finally getting somewhere. It's too bad they didn't figure this out until after all the privately held handguns and semi-auto long guns were confiscated. Is calling someone a one trick pony a PA? Anyway, you are. JohnRich feels strongly about 2nd amendment rights. As do I. Feel free to disagree. But on this forum its been so trodden. He's not going to convert anyone - certainly not anyone living in the UK - so why the constant posts on the subject? Well hell man. If it has all been said before and you feel this way all I can say is, good bye, but I will not miss you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 May 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Hey JohnRich, You obviously needed several weeks to pitch on those news Who else than you could be capable to show the old world where they'd end fully armed? I. e. and f.e., facing US normal course of life. ?????? Sarky. OK. Let me explain in other words with my poor English skills: JR really is a specialist in showing us old world folks where one day, we all will end if we insist on living without weapons: We all will go to hell or beeing killed before. So in his idea, we need to be armed, like life actually is in the US. (Sarky, dear) Bud: Instead of that, we'll proceed to live in peace and freedom without bullets blowing around our heads. Is that clear enough, now? In other words: If we'd like to be fully armed (like "you"), we'd end like you US guys - something, no one wants over here. No weapons in public, in private, not concealed, even if there are specialists like JR trying to convince the Europeans from the contrary Boah. Tried my best. You really have no idea why he posts this do you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #20 May 1, 2008 Amazing! It's also noteworthy that under our current President the number of deaths on US soil due to terrorist attacks has probably been the greatest in US History! AND during the same president's "reign" we've been in a war with no clear goal in which thousands of US and Iraqi citizes have died for no real reason. That makes me sad. Do you think all of this is because of a Republican president? Or might there be other factors at play? linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #21 May 1, 2008 QuoteAmazing! It's also noteworthy that under our current President the number of deaths on US soil due to terrorist attacks has probably been the greatest in US History! AND during the same president's "reign" we've been in a war with no clear goal in which thousands of US and Iraqi citizes have died for no real reason. That makes me sad. Do you think all of this is because of a Republican president? Or might there be other factors at play? linz I don't think it is because of a republican present, because bush has not behaved like a republican, he is an anathema to real republicans (think small government and fiscal responsibility). Is it because of the current president? I don't think he is responsible for 9/11 as America was blind to the threat, it would have happened if Gore/Kerry had been in charge. I do think he is responsible for what happened afterwards, 1000's of Americans have died in a foreign country, it is sickening. He and his buddies have used 9/11 and Iraq and as a way to line their own pockets. The only folks who are doing well from his 8 years are the super rich, oil, and defense contractors. I can't wait for him to go. Not that this has anything to do with the repetitive and boring title of the thread, but it is more interesting than yet another UK bashing biased BS thread it was... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #22 May 1, 2008 Over roughly the same time period the number of alcohol-related deaths more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,758 in 2006. I'm thinking more guns is definitely what we need. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #23 May 1, 2008 Quote You really have no idea why he posts this do you Sure we do. JRich's hobbies include guns and UK bashing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 May 1, 2008 Quote You really have no idea why he posts this do you Of course I do. It's his hobby, right? Obviously, JR loves the UK. Perhaps, one day he will have a chance to visit the British Islands? He surely will be welcome. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 May 1, 2008 Quote Quote You really have no idea why he posts this do you Of course I do. It's his hobby, right? Obviously, JR loves the UK. Perhaps, one day he will have a chance to visit the British Islands? He surely will be welcome. In order to appear more informed you may want to scan back to see why he really posts these kind of articles. It really has nothing to do with the (defensive parranoid) UK"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
