U-turn on green versus right on red

[misaltas 0]

Anybody been in this situation?

Seems I'm seeing more and more that drivers who can make a right on red seem to think they have the right of way. Other situations too to back this up, but here's one attached.

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Right by my office is a "No Right Turn on Red."

IT doesn't stop people from ignoring it. And I've seen a couple of incidents where failure to obey it caused a bit of a problem.

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OTOH,
Why is it that the U-turn guy thinks he has prime access to the outside lane?

The RonR guy rightfully turns into the outside lane (or should be doing that although we all know that there's only 1 person in the world who actually abides by that rule). Why should he have to worry about the U-turner crossing two lanes of traffic to hit him?

IMHO, the RonR guy should have right-of-way over the U-turner.

You complaint about him looking one way and turning another is quite valid. I hope he never gets under canopy with me in the sky at the same time.

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[GQ_jumper 4]

The RonR guy rightfully turns into the outside lane (or should be doing that although we all know that there's only 1 person in the world who actually abides by that rule). Why should he have to worry about the U-turner crossing two lanes of traffic to hit him?

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Because most vehicles don't have a small enough turning radius to stay in the inside lane. The person making the U-turn has a green light, the person making a RonR has to yield to oncoming traffic, this includes people making u-turns.

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[Royd 0]

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OTOH,
Why is it that the U-turn guy thinks he has prime access to the outside lane?

The RonR guy rightfully turns into the outside lane (or should be doing that although we all know that there's only 1 person in the world who actually abides by that rule). Why should he have to worry about the U-turner crossing two lanes of traffic to hit him?

IMHO, the RonR guy should have right-of-way over the U-turner.

You complaint about him looking one way and turning another is quite valid. I hope he never gets under canopy with me in the sky at the same time.

I would argue that if the u-turn guy has a left hand green arrow, he has the right of way over the RonR guy. R on R must stop and yield to oncoming traffic before proceeding.
If R on R is on his game, he's going to notice that u turn guy has his wheels turned, even though he shouldn't , preparing for a turn.

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OTOH,
Why is it that the U-turn guy thinks he has prime access to the outside lane?

Often this is due to limited turning radius of the car.

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Why should he have to worry about the U-turner crossing two lanes of traffic to hit him?

Perhaps because he is supposed to yield to traffic that has a green light?

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IMHO, the RonR guy should have right-of-way over the U-turner.

Why? He will have the right of way when his light turns green. While the U-turner's light is green, the U-turner has the right of way.

Edit: GQjumper said it first.

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I have a similar issue of people turning right onto a street, out of a parking lot, and failing to take even a cursory glance to the sidewalk on their right to check for pedestrian traffic. Drivers are often so preoccupied watching for a break in the vehicular traffic coming from their left that they fail to see if their path is actually clear.

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While the U-turner's light is green, the U-turner has the right of way.

Edit: GQjumper said it first.

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[popsjumper 2]

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Because most vehicles don't have a small enough turning radius to stay in the inside lane.

Hmmmm...so if I have a big-ass truck...that should give me rights to the outside lane, the sidewalk and the front porch of the house on the corner, right?

I need to go back to driving school. Somewhere I missed the part about turning radius having anything to do with road rules.

For the rest of you:
Congrats! You know that the RonR guy is supposed to yield! You thought you were jumping on a chance to "teach" somebody something, weren't you?


Teach me about turning radius rules, please.

IMO, the RonR guys should have right of way.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[GQ_jumper 4]

IMO, the RonR guys should have right of way.

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So that guy can just roll on through that red light without looking or yielding?


Funny thing is, this conversation isn't up to opinions, it's a damn law, if you want to argue that the driver with the red light has the right of way go look up traffic laws and then tell us if you still think bustin through a red gives you the right of way.

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[Royd 0]

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For the rest of you:
Congrats! You know that the RonR guy is supposed to yield! You thought you were jumping on a chance to "teach" somebody something, weren't you?


Teach me about turning radius rules, please.

IMO, the RonR guys should have right of way.

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You would think everyone should know this but when making a right turn on red, you have to:

look left to see if there's traffic coming;

look ahead to see if someone across from you has left green arrow and is about to turn in front of you;

look a little to the right to see if someone is making a u-turn; and

look further right into where you're turning so you don't run into someone/something.

You can't just "clear to the left" and turn, especially at an intersection like in the picture. Also:

Green Light > Red Light.

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[MiataMan 0]

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Somewhere I missed the part about turning radius having anything to do with road rules.


Teach me about turning radius rules, please.

IMO, the RonR guys should have right of way.

Roads are not designed for cars at least in modern transportation design. The turning radius of semi-trucks, school buses, garbage trucks, and delivery trucks are usually what streets are designed for. To me it looks like the intersection would be wide enough for a semi-truck to make the U-turn putting him most likely in the far lane where the RoR car would be. These movements should be at a slow enough speed as not to cause a collision. However the turning movement with a green light at the intersection would have the right of way.

If there is no signal the movement which starts on the major street would have the right of way.

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[downwardspiral 0]

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You would think everyone should know this but when making a right turn on red, you have to:

look left to see if there's traffic coming;

look ahead to see if someone across from you has left green arrow and is about to turn in front of you;

look a little to the right to see if someone is making a u-turn; and

look further right into where you're turning so you don't run into someone/something.

You can't just "clear to the left" and turn, especially at an intersection like in the picture. Also:

Green Light > Red Light.

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You forgot...

- look even further right to check the crosswalk/sidewalk to make sure you don't run someone over as you roll throught that red light.

Green light has right of way. Of course if the uturn guy is a smart driver he look out for the idiot that rolls through the red and tried to hit him.

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