Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

[nerdgirl 0]

Thanks for the links & background.

Vr/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[popsjumper 2]

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Actually it's your posts that provide the "belly laughs". By your own admission you are ignorant of the subject.

You say that like it's a bad thing.


Are you one of those who blabber on and on about stuff you know nothing about and make a fool of yourself?

Or, are one of those who knows everything about everything?

Or, can you make a statement, wise or not, and learn from the responses?

Sorry, I missed all that intelligent knowledge and understanding that you have been contributing to the conversation.

Glad you're getting good belly-laughs...it loosens up the bowels and keeps you regular.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Both of you cut it out.

BOTH of them???

That is rich.....

Duly noted. The stick-poking goes on and on until the victim responds...then the warning comes.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Are you one of those who blabber on and on about stuff you know nothing about and make a fool of yourself?

By your own admission you are exactly that.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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Ben stein is not a stupid person, go see the movie with an open mind before you criticize. Don't talk out of your ass about the movie when you haven't even seen it.
How it all began isn't a valid question?

Actually I wasn't talking out of my ass - I wrote that I viewed a trailer and my comment is based on that.

Listen, I'm a trained scientist myself and it sickens me that these ID folks have only one agenda - to shove their mythology down young, impressionable, scientifically immature students. That to me is child abuse, plain and simple.

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He does not deny that evolution occurs (change over time). What he does question is that the proteins necessary to create the most basic form of life is statistically improbable, were talking trillions upon trillions to one.

It has also been calculated that even a relatively simple protein couldn't fold into it's active conformation in the lifetime of the universe (Levinthal paradox), but they obviously do. So I wouldn't put too much faith in the trillions and trillions to one argument.

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"Or, can you make a statement, wise or not, and learn from the responses?
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Well, I can see you not one of those.

You're a youngster, aren't you? It's OK...never fear. You'll grow up someday.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[nerdgirl 0]

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It has also been calculated that even a relatively simple protein couldn't fold into it's active conformation in the lifetime of the universe (Levinthal paradox), but they obviously do. So I wouldn't put too much faith in the trillions and trillions to one argument.

That's a great example!

The 1969 Levinthal thought experiment --it's just over one page long & there are no actual calculations -- illustrates how these seemingly huge notional mathematical calculations are problematic. They assume linear, stoichiometric (i.e., 1 to 1), static, and non-cooperative processes rather than the parallel, catalytic, dynamic, and cooperative processes that occur in biology.

Levinthal's long-time linear path was also someting that most biologists of the time knew to be false. Levinthal sets non-cooperative, random walk up in opposition to the enzymatic, cooperative parallel processes that actually occur. Cooperative binding of hemoglobin (protein the carries oxygen in the blood) was known -- the 1st oxygen bound to iron in hemoglobin is fairly slow, the last one (4) binds something like 5000 times faster due to slight changes in the protein structure. As you may know, the reality of that is very important in human physiological processes, including limitations in low-oxygen environments.

Chris Anfinsen, of the NIH, got the Nobel Prize not too many years later for work that resolved the paradox. Anfinsen's work wasn't inspired by Levinthal's thought experiment; he was working on understanding protein structure before 1969. In discussions citing Levinthal sometimes that unambiguous resolution is not included.

If all the processes in our brain were linear, stoichiometric, and static, I wonder what the maximum capability of human neural processes would be? Propose using IQ as a metric; speculate that if the same rigid requirements were applied to the human brain, the IQ of the species would never exceed single digits. Welcome more refined analysis on that speculation.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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Propose using IQ as a metric; speculate that if the same rigid requirements were applied to the human brain, the IQ of the species would never exceed single digits. Welcome more refined analysis on that speculation.

VR/Marg

There are some examples of that, they are called "Bush supporters".

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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You're a youngster, aren't you? It's OK...never fear. You'll grow up someday.

You obviously have a need to think of me that way.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."