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I had to chuckle with the last line in this news report. Hillary 'upgrades her airplane', but for what? Private bathroom? More leg room? (or something older, like her? ;))

It's the last line that caught my attention, though. :P

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=2c0d07e9-e225-42dd-94b3-3011b6e6ffb4&

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I had to chuckle with the last line in this news report. Hillary 'upgrades her airplane', but for what? Private bathroom? More leg room? (or something older, like her? ;))

It's the last line that caught my attention, though. :P

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=2c0d07e9-e225-42dd-94b3-3011b6e6ffb4&

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I'm sure Al Gore gave her a receipt for the carbon credits she purchased when she upgraded...:S

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on the 717, she had to stoop to using the same facilities as the press, at the back of the plane.



Can you imagine the press report? "Hillary Clinton leaves a stinky floater in the bathroom."

Or, "A reporter from the WSJ noticed that there were no more hand towels in the bathroom. As he asked an attendant torefill them, Hillary Clinton exited the lavatory with dry hands."

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While both planes are fundamentally similar, we're waiting for environmental groups to point out the MD-81 is also far less efficient than the newer-engined 717...



How else is she gonna get from Scranton to Hershey, PA? Do you expect her to take a train or limousine or something?

p.s. - is there a Hershey Highway?


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Like the 717, the new/old aircraft was chartered from Midwest Airlines, which configured the MD-81 to charter NBA teams... so the seats also offer increased legroom over those on the 717.

Funny no-one complains that NBA teams flit around the nation in an MD81 to play ballgames, but when a US Senator and presidential candidate provides transport for the media covering an issue of national importance, it's a big problem.

Maybe the media should provide their own transportation. It would be environmentally even more damaging, but less political fallout.
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From Hillary's campaign website:

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Hillary has a bold and comprehensive plan to address America's energy and environmental challenges that will establish a green, efficient economy and create as many as five million new jobs.



From the Lakers website:

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ANDREW BYNUM INJURY UPDATE
Lakers center Andrew Bynum was examined yesterday in New York by knee specialist Dr. David Altchek and has not been cleared to progress to full practices or contact drills



I see a BIT of a difference, professor.


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From Hillary's campaign website:

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Hillary has a bold and comprehensive plan to address America's energy and environmental challenges that will establish a green, efficient economy and create as many as five million new jobs.



From the Lakers website:

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ANDREW BYNUM INJURY UPDATE
Lakers center Andrew Bynum was examined yesterday in New York by knee specialist Dr. David Altchek and has not been cleared to progress to full practices or contact drills



I see a BIT of a difference, professor.



So the Lakers are OK with a plane, but Hillary, Obama AND McCain (who also has an environmental plan) are not. Funny priorities you have there, counselor.
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Well, there are several things.

The Lakers are a team. Okay, so is Hillary.

But, basketball teams take buses, too. The Nuggets, in fact, had their bus break down on Saturday on the way to the Staples Center.:ph34r:

But, the Lakers do not look at themselves as responsible for helping change the environment. the do not propose policies for which we will all pay.



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Like the 717, the new/old aircraft was chartered from Midwest Airlines, which configured the MD-81 to charter NBA teams... so the seats also offer increased legroom over those on the 717.

Funny no-one complains that NBA teams flit around the nation in an MD81 to play ballgames, but when a US Senator and presidential candidate provides transport for the media covering an issue of national importance, it's a big problem.

Maybe the media should provide their own transportation. It would be environmentally even more damaging, but less political fallout.



You're deflecting from the issue, John. Hillary claims to be environmentally aware and doing something to correct the problem. She's also a leader who asks the people to follow her lead. IMO this holds her to a higher standard. Like Gore, she fails to lead in this respect by not finding the most environmentally conscience mode of transportation, and still do her job. She may still fly, but wouldn't it be something to crow about to do it the greenest way possible?

I'll fault any leader for this, just not Hillary. It should not be "Do as I say, but forget what I do".

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Well, there are several things.

The Lakers are a team. Okay, so is Hillary.

But, basketball teams take buses, too. The Nuggets, in fact, had their bus break down on Saturday on the way to the Staples Center.:ph34r:

But, the Lakers do not look at themselves as responsible for helping change the environment. the do not propose policies for which we will all pay.



McCain has a campaign jetliner AND an environmental plan too. Are you faulting him? Yes or no?
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Funny no-one complains that NBA teams flit around the nation in an MD81 to play ballgames, but when a US Senator and presidential candidate provides transport for the media covering an issue of national importance, it's a big problem.



how many 7 foot reporters are there in her entourage?

6 footers have enough trouble flying coach - I don't think 7 footers can physically cram their bodies into such seats.

Nevermind that the team needs its employees playing on those same legs soon after - it would be the dumbest management that would try to save a few bucks on the air travel when physical performance is the key resource they have.

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McCain has a campaign jetliner AND an environmental plan too. Are you faulting him? Yes or no?



Yes, if his environmental plan includes reduction sof unnecessarily high emissions of greenhouse gases.

There is an inherent conflict there, isn't there?


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Funny no-one complains that NBA teams flit around the nation in an MD81 to play ballgames, but when a US Senator and presidential candidate provides transport for the media covering an issue of national importance, it's a big problem.



how many 7 foot reporters are there in her entourage?

6 footers have enough trouble flying coach - I don't think 7 footers can physically cram their bodies into such seats.

Nevermind that the team needs its employees playing on those same legs soon after - it would be the dumbest management that would try to save a few bucks on the air travel when physical performance is the key resource they have.



Well, I understand that the comfort of millionaire ballplayers is far more important than media coverage the election of the leader of the free world.
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McCain has a campaign jetliner AND an environmental plan too. Are you faulting him? Yes or no?



Yes, if his environmental plan includes reduction sof unnecessarily high emissions of greenhouse gases.





APRIL 22, 2008

ARLINGTON, VA -- U.S. Senator John McCain today issued the following statement regarding Earth Day:

"In 1970, our nation recognized the first Earth Day as millions of Americans affirmed their commitment to being good stewards of our environment. Today, Americans will join those from across the world in reaffirming that commitment. Whether it is clean air, safe and healthy water, conserving open space or sustainable land use, we are called upon to protect our natural treasures for our children, grandchildren and future generations.

"As President, I will ensure that we protect all of nature's blessings while recognizing that our environmental and economic interests are not mutually exclusive. In this, we must work together -- the government, environmental and conservation groups, business and the public -- in a manner that fulfills our responsibilities to the environment.

"On this Earth Day, we must also look ahead to the serious threats that confront our environment today. We must have the courage to realistically confront the specter of climate change. This is one of the greatest challenges confronting the next President. On this issue, I will act to safeguard our environment by reducing greenhouse gas emissions to sustainable levels in a manner that spurs innovation of cleaner, more reliable energy sources.

"Let us commemorate Earth Day by committing to meet our obligation as creation's caretakers and ensure that our children and grandchildren do not have to face the challenges that we have failed to meet."



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In 2000, when he first ran for president, he said, ``I didn't know anything about climate change.'' Upon returning to the Senate, he delved into the issue and quickly championed the cause.

In 2003, he co-sponsored a proposal with Connecticut Independent Senator Joe Lieberman, then a Democrat, to cap the emissions of carbon dioxide that died in the Senate.

Two years later, another version of their plan also failed, in part because some environmental groups opposed the nuclear subsidies it contained.

Since then, McCain has continued touting the need to curb emissions.

``I believe it's a threat to our very existence,'' McCain said at a March 12 town hall meeting in Exeter, New Hampshire. Reversing global warming, he said, will prevent climate change and help end U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

Those views won McCain votes from independents as well as Republicans in the Jan. 8 New Hampshire primary, said Ted Leach, co-chairman of the Clean Air-Cool Planet Coalition, based in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

Earth Day

McCain also is citing his global-warming stance to counter Democratic contentions that his presidency would amount to a third Bush term. He is finalizing plans to speak at this year's Earth Day celebrations on the National Mall in April, according to event organizers.



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So the answer, again, is "yes."



Do you think it would be more environmentally efficient if the presidential candidates AND the entourage of reporters who follow them around the nation (a valid activity, IMO) all travelled by Prius?

Or would you prefer they crossed the country on horseback?
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I don't have a problem with them flying commercial air. Again, professor, I don't have a problem with anybody who can afford a jet to fly the jet. I don't have a problem with the behavior at all.

I don't have a problem with people who patronize prostitutes. I have a problem with people who built careers on arresting johns who utilize prostitutes.

I dont' have a problem with blowjobs. I don't have problems with gays. I don't have a problem with the wealthy. I have problems with those who advocate against that which they do or are.

Professor - the problem with ALL of these people is self importance. The idea that people should not be flying around in corporate jets. "Well, I'm different. I'm an exception. I'm more important."

They can always build in exceptions and justifications for why they should be allowed to do things that others cannot. So Rosie O'Donnell is protected by handguns. She's important, unlike the rabble in society.

I don't have a problem with hillary using a private jet. Or Obama. Or McCain. I have a problem when they advocate positions that are contrary to their actions.

Quite simple, really.


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I don't have a problem with them flying commercial air. Again, professor, I don't have a problem with anybody who can afford a jet to fly the jet. I don't have a problem with the behavior at all.

I don't have a problem with people who patronize prostitutes. I have a problem with people who built careers on arresting johns who utilize prostitutes.

I dont' have a problem with blowjobs. I don't have problems with gays. I don't have a problem with the wealthy. I have problems with those who advocate against that which they do or are.

Professor - the problem with ALL of these people is self importance. The idea that people should not be flying around in corporate jets. "Well, I'm different. I'm an exception. I'm more important."

They can always build in exceptions and justifications for why they should be allowed to do things that others cannot. So Rosie O'Donnell is protected by handguns. She's important, unlike the rabble in society.

I don't have a problem with hillary using a private jet. Or Obama. Or McCain. I have a problem when they advocate positions that are contrary to their actions.

Quite simple, really.



You didn't answer the question. Let me rephrase it in parts:

1. Is it legitimate for presidential candidates to travel about the nation meeting with and addressing the people?

2. Is it legitimate for the media to cover these events?

3. Is having them all travel together in a chartered jetliner less efficient than having them travel separately by whatever means?


Seems to me that your position effectively hamstrings any candidate who embaces environmental matters. Maybe that's your purpose.
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While both planes are fundamentally similar, we're waiting for environmental groups to point out the MD-81 is also far less efficient than the newer-engined 717...



The point is that Hillary Clinton is changing to a less efficient aircraft instead of a more efficient aircraft ...
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1. Is it legitimate for presidential candidates to travel about the nation meeting with and addressing the people?



Yes.

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2. Is it legitimate for the media to cover these events?



Yes.

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3. Is having them all travel together in a chartered jetliner less efficient than having them travel separately by whatever means?



Unknown. Probably not, but maybe.

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Seems to me that your position effectively hamstrings any candidate who embaces environmental matters.



Yes, indeed it could. That's the point.

Environmental policies meant to leave large portions of the population hamstrung, right? Think of Kennedy having Pierre Salinger purchase 1,200 Cuban cigars for him prior to enacting the embargo. It'll hamstring a lot of people, but not him.

It's a classic example. The embargo hamstrung millions from those cigars. He would have himself been hamstrung had he not taken advantage of the situation just prior to. Now Kennedy was hamstrung from buying new ones.

It's the same thing as this. "We need government regulations that will hamstring people from doing what I'm doing now. We should however, wait until after I am doine doing it. I could not tolerate being hamstrung."

Do you see that point, professor? The self-inportance of laws and regulations that will hamstring others.


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While both planes are fundamentally similar, we're waiting for environmental groups to point out the MD-81 is also far less efficient than the newer-engined 717...



The point is that Hillary Clinton is changing to a less efficient aircraft instead of a more efficient aircraft ...


Thank you. Finally someone who states what this thread is all about. (and in few words without all the bleeding.) :D

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Well, I understand that the comfort of millionaire ballplayers is far more important than media coverage the election of the leader of the free world.



Frankly, yes.

The number of reporters needed to cover her campaign could fit in a King Air. Above that, we get dozens of lackeys looking for a new story, and thus minor remarks (she's a monster, blah blah) get turned into big stories. It doesn't actually contribute anything to the bottom line (informed public) and wastes huge amounts of resources in the process.

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