funjumper101 15 #1 April 18, 2008 This is an interesting part of US history. I had never heard of it until yesterday. I'll be doing some more reading on it. begin quoted text >>> BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America New investigation sheds light on clique of powerbrokers, including Prescott Bush, who sought to overthrow U.S. government and implement Hitlerian policies Paul Joseph Watson Tuesday, July 24, 2007 A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler. In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression." The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors. Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities. However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story. In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated, "A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions." The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America. Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished. Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6J6Wx0t8w&feature=related Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQew4UiUmUY&feature=related Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r4RLEIFQbA&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krabberkris 1 #2 April 18, 2008 If you have not already , Google "The truth and lies of 911" What this former LAPD Narcotics Officer has to say is VERY interesting and touches on a lot of the stuff mentioned in your post.The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 April 18, 2008 Google "McCormack-Dickstein." Such hearings were highly similar to the hearings led by all around good guy Joe McCarthy. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #4 April 18, 2008 'The sins of the [Grand]fathers shall be visited upon the [Grand]sons.' (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #5 April 18, 2008 QuoteGoogle "McCormack-Dickstein." Such hearings were highly similar to the hearings led by all around good guy Joe McCarthy. I understand your point completely. To me, the similarities do not overshadow the power of Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler's own words, as documented in the transcripts available online. I did a fair bit of reading about the McCarthy hearings many years ago. In the historical context of the times, the early part of his work was considered to be a very good thing. Only when he spun out mentally and went rabid did his reputation change. Part of my research was talking to my relatives, who were college educated adults during that period. The consensus was, he started out doing good work, but it devolved into evil. That view isn't quite the popular interpretation that appears in the history books nowadays. A good portion of my research was from reading from the collection of Time and Newsweek magazines that my aunt and uncle had. If I remember correctly, they started their subscriptions in 1946, right after they got married. It has been a while. I'll have to ask my cousins what became of the collection. The 1973 book by Jules Archer titled "The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking True Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR" is available from Amazon. The price is $10.17 with free super saver shipping. I just ordered a copy. I expect it to be fascinating reading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #6 April 19, 2008 Do a little more research, you're getting dangerously close to the actual facts, maybe. "History is always rewritten by the Victorious." And while you're at it look into the passenger manifest on the Titanic.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #7 April 19, 2008 QuoteDo a little more research, you're getting dangerously close to the actual facts, maybe. "History is always rewritten by the Victorious." And while you're at it look into the passenger manifest on the Titanic.Almost finished reading "Winds of War". Very interesting take on Hitler and FDR.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #8 April 19, 2008 And don't forgot Henry Ford.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 April 19, 2008 QuoteTo me, the similarities do not overshadow the power of Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler's own words, as documented in the transcripts available online. I can understand that, too. But I also wouldn't trust the words of General Edwin Walker - a hero, but a bigot. Quotehe started out doing good work, but it devolved into evil. Oh, absolutely. Power corrupts, and he found himself in a place he didn't intend to be. I may try to get my hands on the book. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #10 April 19, 2008 I can understand that, too. But I also wouldn't trust the words of General Edwin Walker - a hero, but a bigot. I wouldn't trust his assessment of a person's character because of his very extreme views, not because he's apt to lie. Butler, otoh, is much more believable and trustworthy, I'd think. At that particular time in US history, the story'd not be so far-fetched either. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 April 19, 2008 Were charges ever brought? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #12 April 19, 2008 QuoteWere charges ever brought? No. From what I can find on the web, it appears that the entire matter was swept under the rug as much as possible. The transcripts of the hearings were either altered or mysterious lost, depending on which source you read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #13 April 22, 2008 If one investigates the Bush family to Prescott and how they are all intertwined, it is mind boggling. Couple Prescott's apparent assistance of the Nazis by acting as a executive of a bank whose assets were all seized because they were assisting the Nazis, the attempted coup, and his grandson's executive order which makes him director (dictator) of the (shadow) government in the event of a nuke attack on DC. He signed it a year ago. Seems his grandfather was just trying to rush things a bit? The rest of the population hadnt been 'conditioned' properly to happily accept it... or everyone just needed Alfred E Newman to 'sell' it as the solution... Odd how your BBC article came out shortly after he changed the contingency plans with his overused EO inkpen... Read Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 April 23, 2008 QuoteWere charges ever brought? Not quite sure what you are trying to achieve with that question? I generally find it an odd question standing by itself. Just because charges were never brought doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just like sometimes when charges are brought, people are found innocent, even if they were guilty.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites