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Obviously, you aren't voting for Obama.QuoteHope is an emotion, look it up. Faith is believing in something with out any evidence, look it up. Try dictionary.com
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Anything? Every single word, character and story in the Bible is just a figment of someone's imagination? Now that takes some faith to believe that.QuoteJust because you and many people are inspired by the biblical accounts of Jesus doesn't make it true or that Jesus was ever resurected from the dead or that anything in the Bible really happened
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QuoteAnything? Every single word, character and story in the Bible is just a figment of someone's imagination? Now that takes some faith to believe that.QuoteJust because you and many people are inspired by the biblical accounts of Jesus doesn't make it true or that Jesus was ever resurected from the dead or that anything in the Bible really happened
I didn't say that everything in the Bible is fiction. There is no evidence that Jesus was ever resurected. In fact outside of the Bible there is very very little evidence of anyone named Jesus. I think the bible is historical fiction. It does have some historical basis but is mostly myth. That doesn't take faith it just takes being objective and examining the evidence available.
jakee 1,594
Waiting.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
I'll get round to it when I can be arsed. Did you have a good weekend waiting?
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
Wow, so this thread is still going?
Don't mind me, I'm just passing through. I'll be out of here in a minute.
Does this thread have a Men's Room?
Don't mind me, I'm just passing through. I'll be out of here in a minute.
Does this thread have a Men's Room?
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Eh? I'm still catching up on the new posts since my last visit.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
jakee 1,594
QuoteI'll get round to it when I can be arsed. Did you have a good weekend waiting?
If you can be arsed to type out a reply I'm you're you're finding it too strenuous to cut and paste.
And I did have a fantastic weekend thanks. Jumping, not waiting though
And you?Do you want to have an ideagasm?
I had my in-laws visiting over the weekend. We went to the Lake District on Saturday, but didn't get to do much as it pissed down. Saturday night went out with the Mrs, Sunday afternoon we visited an Abbey then I took the kids out fishing. Exciting stuff eh? Did notice on Sunday evening you were 'waiting' though.
I will resume but it won't be tonight, as I genuinely can't be arsed, and not tomorrow either as I'm night flying. Guess you'll have to wait another couple of days.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
QuoteQuoteI'll get round to it when I can be arsed. Did you have a good weekend waiting?
If you can be arsed to type out a reply I'm you're you're finding it too strenuous to cut and paste.
And I did have a fantastic weekend thanks. Jumping, not waiting thoughAnd you?
Did you all get yourselves "arsed" this weekend?
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QuoteA true believer would never wish hell on anyone
You've obviously never had any experience with the Baptist church. I grew up listening to how I was going to Hell in eternal damnation for three hours every Sunday.
Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD
QuoteQuoteEvil is an abstract concept?
Yes.QuoteDo you consider the Nazis to be good or evil? Yet the Nazis themselves considered themself good and loved each other? So, evil believes in good.
No, some evil people believe themselves to be good.QuoteWhat if I told you that you and I were evil? How would you respond to that?
I'd say you were devaluing the word to the point of uselessness.QuoteAre you not intelligent and capable of thought?
Yes. Why?QuoteNow you believe, as do many atheist
You'd do much, much better if you didn't go around assuming you know what everyone else is thinking.
Ok, I see that no matter what I say, you at least are going to argue against everything, so that means reason is lost on you.
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It seems you would rather be right than speak the truth from your heart, which is ok, like I said, man in nature in not good.
Consider just for a moment that God is real and that there is a judgement after this life and even during this life. Could you stand in front of God and plead your case with him, who treats all humans impatially? You dont have to respond, just ask yourself to reveal what is not good in your heart. Consider in Gods eyes what he has to see day in and day out. People all day long living steeped in rebellion and sin and claiming all along that they themselves are good. This is worse than sin in Gods eyes, this is a lie, and the reason it exists is because of deception. Now deception is what the nazis basic core was operating in and why they were able to do what they did, it is very powerful, and only the truth can reveal its stain. If you dont live by the truth, then you think your good, if you live by the truth, then you know you are not good and that you need to be forgiven.
Now you will say that is not fair, but God has offered life to those who live by the truth and he has shown death to those who have been decieved by the lie. So of course, since I am a believer, I dont have a scientific view on revealing the truth within others, and I myself cannot judge someone else, because I know my own evil self. If you find someone who understands they need grace (forgiveness in Gods love, offered in Christ on the cross) then you find a humble man, who desires to humble himself before God, so that this grace which feels so good can sustain us in all circumstances, good and bad. Think for a second in your own life how good being forgiven for something you did terribly wrong feels. Being forgiven is a reward that gives life.
Think about what being forgiven feels like just in the human body, if youve never felt it then I cant explain its power. An adulteress begs forgiveness from her husband, A guilty man begs forgiveness and is given mercy. You will find out real quick how powerful the human heart can be when it is free to forgive and be forgiven, and I believe you would be hard pressed to find that definition of that power in the dictionary or any scientific formula for that matter. In forgiveness you get Truth, Humbleness, Humility, Love...im mean the list goes on and on, and these qualities are the search of not just spiritual men and women, but of the very core of our hearts and they give power to what it means to be human. But at the same time, you get another gift, if your request for forgiveness is genuine and in truth, you get trust. Jesus brought the power in forgiveness to us and therefore brought life to all those who found it. This is the most practical, and reasonable way I can explain the life found in those who come to God for forgiveness. Now many will say that they have done nothing that warrents any forgiveness, I am sorry, but they do not live by truth.
The designer of our our being knew the qualities and character that would bring us life to the fullest. If forgiveness feels good, love feels good, hope feels good, trust feels good ect...just on an earthy and mortal front, then imagine what it feels like on an immortal front, when you really believe thaty you have these gifts from God, who will never die, never leave, is full of compassion, mercy, and love. We had no "proof" of this until Jesus, now after Jesus, since the knowledge he gave us and the spirit he released to us, there are many thousands who live in the goodness of this light. No design? Why is it that desiring to be good and do good, makes us feel good? Maybe the designer himself is good??? YOu said you need proof, the proof is in the testimony of those who have been touched by this power.
We are not self righteous, we are redeemed sinners (we are VERY familiar with the lie), redeemed by the same truth you are hearing, and living life in the fullness of the power in the qualities born from not being good, but being made good through the blood of Jesus. And a very interesting design of this goodness of life is a new found powerful desire to continue on the same path.
LISTEN to those empowered by this spirit of goodness and grace and you will find all the proof you need. The thing is, you cannot find what they found until you release the truth to God, repent, and recieve the Grace given freely in Jesus.
"We didn't start the fire"
jakee 1,594
QuoteOk, I see that no matter what I say, you at least are going to argue against everything, so that means reason is lost on you.
Hah! You really flatter yourself if you think your argument is based on reason.
QuoteConsider just for a moment that God is real and that there is a judgement after this life and even during this life. Could you stand in front of God and plead your case with him, who treats all humans impatially?
Ok. Yes, I certainly could.
QuoteYOu said you need proof, the proof is in the testimony of those who have been touched by this power.
That's not proof. I could get the same standard of proof from practitioners of any religion.
Again, the whole angle of your attempts at persuasion here is based on the notion that the atheists you're talking too are all as hung up and bothered about what's going to happen after death as you are. Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's simply not true. When I die, I'll be gone and I see absolutely no point in worrying about it.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteQuoteEvil is an abstract concept?
Yes.
I JUST SHOWED YOU THAT EVIL WAS NOT AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT, THAT IS OPERATES IN DECEPTION, AND YOU STILL BELIEVE IT IS ABSTRACT??? EXPLAIN.QuoteDo you consider the Nazis to be good or evil? Yet the Nazis themselves considered themself good and loved each other? So, evil believes in good.
No, some evil people believe themselves to be good.
I ALREADY SAID THAT EVIL BELIEVES IN GOOD. AND WHAT YOU SAID FURTHER PROVES THAT EVIL IS NOT ABSTRACT, THAT IT WORKS ON DECEPTION.QuoteWhat if I told you that you and I were evil? How would you respond to that?
I'd say you were devaluing the word to the point of uselessness.
IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH DEVALUING SOMETHING? EXPLIN HOW I AM DEVALUING THE WORD? I AM GIVING THE WORD POWER ARENT I? WE WOULD NOT KNOW THE TRUTH HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE LIE, AND WE WOULD NOT KNOW GOOD HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR EVIL, SO BOTH ARE POWERFUL, BUT ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER, JUST LIKE LIFE AND DEATH, BOTH VERY POWERFUL, THE INFLUENCES OF JUST THE WORD INSPIRE THOUGHTS, BUT LIFE IS BETTER IF YOU LIVE BY THE TRUTH. Its like the yin and the yang concept, both balance each other out, the power is in wisdom, the very foundation of the balance and therefore with wisdom we choose which life we will lead.QuoteAre you not intelligent and capable of thought?
Yes. Why?
BECAUSE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ARE APART OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSAL BALANCE, GOOD IS FOUND IN EVIL AND IF IT SEES ITS OWN POWER, IT BECOMES STRONGER IN GOOD, LIKE US, A COLLECTIVE ENTITY OF GOOD AND EVIL IN WHICH BOTH EVIL AND GOOD ARE IN A BALANCE. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT JESUS IS THE ULTIMATE GOOD, LOVE WHICH LOVES EVEN EVIL, THEREFORE SHOWING LOVE TO BE GREATER THAN EVEN EVIL. WE HAVE IT SAID THAT WISDOM HAS SOMETHING ELSE IN MIND WITH NOT ONLY THE EARTH, BUT WITH HIS OWN CREATION. WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION HIS PURPOSE OR WILL? WILL NOT WISDOM, WHICH HOLDS THE BALANCE OF BOTH GOOD AND EVIL DO WHAT IT WANTS? With the intelligent thought comment, I was not using sarcasm, I was simply giving your ear to the possiblilty that you (and i) are evil, and that evil is intelligent and capable of thought. Becuase you said earlier that "there is no invisible entity (of evil)" something like that.QuoteNow you believe, as do many atheist
You'd do much, much better if you didn't go around assuming you know what everyone else is thinking.
You are right, my intent wasnt to tell you what you believe, I am sorry that it came out that way. I need to go back and re read that reply. Again, I am sorry.
"We didn't start the fire"
QuoteYOu said you need proof, the proof is in the testimony of those who have been touched by this power.
That's not proof. I could get the same standard of proof from practitioners of any religion.
Again, the whole angle of your attempts at persuasion here is based on the notion that the atheists you're talking too are all as hung up and bothered about what's going to happen after death as you are. Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's simply not true. When I die, I'll be gone and I see absolutely no point in worrying about it.
I am not trying to persuade. I am only speaking what I consider to be true. If it has persuasion, then it is not me, it is the truth I am speaking.
All other religions are not based on life after death alone, they only survived because of the life that is revealed right here on earth. If one believes in a life that is eternal as if to be part of the spirit in which he became apart of, then naturally he would feel some of that spirit right here in this life. Eternity existed before you or I my friend, It seems to me that it is not an entirely impossible concept. Have you ever considered what time really was, or what space really is? Isnt possible that there are dimensions that very well could be operating outside of what you percieve to be time and space? Dimensions of which that operate on influence and inspirations, or way, way beyond your deepest imagination even? Jesus said that if you dont understand when I talk to you about earthly things, how could you understand if i talk to you about heavenly things? The spirit says if you live by truth, you will live in the spirit of truth, if you live by deception and lies, you will live in the spirit of deception and lies. If what is in me is persuasive, I cannot apologize for that (not that I dont want to), because what is in me, speaks for itself.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ATHEISTS, AS I SAID BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES, IT IS THE SELF RIGHTEOUS HYPOCRITES THAT CAUSE ME FRUSTRATION!! Please at least try to understand that. There is a spirit in the church (not all churches) that does not operate in truth, they keep Jesus at the head by preaching his word, but they dont speak the truth to each other and to others outside the church. I cannot stand in front of God with innocence. I can only stand in front of God because of his grace, its nothing that I have done, or do, its all God. So finding people in the church who think they can, hurts my spirit and cuts me right down to the bone...but as for atheists, i dont have anything against them and if i wont judge people in the church, I will not judge people outside the church. I dont follow the spirit of judgement, but the spirit of salvation that frees us from judgement. It is truth that judges people in their own hearts. I cannot reveal truth to you, it has to be revealed to you from inside your own heart. So again, I have nothing against atheist. But one of Jesus' greatest commands was "do not worry about tommorrow, tomorrow will take care of itself" "and do not be afraid or let your hearts be troubled" "I have come so that they might have life, and have it to the fullest" Are these things that go against what you believe on the inside?
"We didn't start the fire"
Actually, I did grow up in a Baptist church, and heard my share of fire and brimstone. But, I don't think that the pastors wanted you or I to go to hell, nor took pleasure in the thought, as the athiest in the video seems to think some Christians wish upon him. I know many Christians (I am one) who turned away from God because our early exposure to Christianity was not that of truth and love. There are a lot of misguided teachers out there, and there are many very gifted ones.
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A true believer would never wish hell on anyone
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You didn't get your Get Out of Hell Free card?QuoteYou've obviously never had any experience with the Baptist church. I grew up listening to how I was going to Hell in eternal damnation for three hours every Sunday.
Yes.
No, some evil people believe themselves to be good.
I'd say you were devaluing the word to the point of uselessness.
Yes. Why?
You'd do much, much better if you didn't go around assuming you know what everyone else is thinking.
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