airdvr 210 #1 April 11, 2008 Frontier just filed for protection this morning. Who's next? http://frontierairlines.com/restructure/Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 April 11, 2008 Aviation is a hard business. Every time the economy has a hiccup the weak fold. There seems to be no helping it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #3 April 11, 2008 True. I just think it's extraordinary that this many have had problems in such a short timespan. ATA - gone Aloha - gone SkyBus - gone American - FAA seems to have an issue And now Frontier?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 April 11, 2008 I don't know all the history, but Frontier hasn't been in very good health for a while if I am recalling correctly. The bottom line is that the industry is overdue for a purge of people and ideas. The FAA is showing that they are a necessary oversight, despite an airline's vested interest in being safe. When an airline like American or even Southwest continuously skips a few steps here/there with complex, long running airframes, they create an environment ripe for a new version of "Jet Blue" to come into the picture. I'm surprised Amtrak isn't trying to exploit this in some of the regional corridors on the east and west coast.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #5 April 11, 2008 when the price of jet A skyrockets, jumpers at turbine dzs tend to grit their teeth, shrug it off and pay the price..... BUT airline passengers do the opposite, they complain, and point the finger at the airline industry if they can't fly round trip coast to coast for less than 500 bucks..... i have felt for years that the flying public has been spoiled....They take airline travel as a granted,,,, and have always expected More for less... the truth is, that the convenience of getting from point A to point B at 400 + MPH ought to cost us thousands, not hundreds....but nobody wants to hear that...Multi million dollar aircraft, Hundreds of planes within an airlines' inventory.... Airport fees, staff expenses, pilot and steward costs,,, Maintenance regulations and safety updates.... not to mention CEO salariesall these things have squeezed the industry to the choking point..... i don't fly very much, but sure,,, when i do, i wish it were simple, and efficient, and less costly.... but the reality of it , in todays economy, is that air travel is becoming less and less feasible.... people want to drop a credit card on the counter, and then be pampered and cared for throughout their journey... No peanuts???, No 3 course meal??? Cancel a flight????? ....and they are like the villagers going after the Frankenstein Monster... Bitching at staff, complaining to those workers at the gates... who have little to say in the matter, and sometimes going way overboard with demands, and theatrics.... Wanna fly from here to there? with a snap of your fingers??????,, better have some real coin, so that you can afford your own damn aircraft... me??? I guess i'll limit my travel to other modes of transportation...i wouldn't want to work in the airline industry, for any rate of money ,, especially if paychecks are gonna start bouncing..... Funny that in one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, our general aviation planes sit idle..... while our military jets, reconnaissance drones, rotary wing aircraft and the entire military complex which supports them,,,,, just keeps burning gallon after gallon after gallon, like it's nobodies business.... and please don't even get me started about the ground vehicles which the govt. uses for warring....., which get what???? 3 or 4 mpg....... somebody ought to be ashamed of themselves..... rant over jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 April 11, 2008 Quoteand please don't even get me started about the ground vehicles which the govt. uses for warring....., which get what???? 3 or 4 mpg....... Get more pissed since it is better to say GPM not MPG when it comes to many of those vehicles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pashakiev 0 #7 April 11, 2008 +1 Tax Due date is 4 days away... Less Bitching / More Jumping..... Please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #8 April 11, 2008 Quote I'm surprised Amtrak isn't trying to exploit this in some of the regional corridors on the east and west coast. I'm not sure that AMTRAK could exploit its way out of a paper bag.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 April 11, 2008 Quote BUT airline passengers do the opposite, they complain, and point the finger at the airline industry if they can't fly round trip coast to coast for less than 500 bucks..... It's not the fault of the customers if the business can't properly price their product. If they want to sell me passage to/from Costa Rica for $600, then they need to deliver. If they can't effectively do that for less than $800, then that should be the price. The gas stations seem to have no trouble ensuring that their prices keep up with costs...perhaps the airlines should start pricing their tickets with two line items- the fixed portion, and the fuel portion which is set at the time of purchase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 April 11, 2008 Quote I'm surprised Amtrak isn't trying to exploit this in some of the regional corridors on the east and west coast. Amtrack was never chartered to succeed - in fact it seems quite apparent that their objective is to kill the use of trains for transportation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 April 12, 2008 QuoteQuote BUT airline passengers do the opposite, they complain, and point the finger at the airline industry if they can't fly round trip coast to coast for less than 500 bucks..... It's not the fault of the customers if the business can't properly price their product. If they want to sell me passage to/from Costa Rica for $600, then they need to deliver. If they can't effectively do that for less than $800, then that should be the price. The gas stations seem to have no trouble ensuring that their prices keep up with costs...perhaps the airlines should start pricing their tickets with two line items- the fixed portion, and the fuel portion which is set at the time of purchase. Cruise lines have been adding fuel surcharges for awhile now. Carnival just upped it from $5 to $7 per day per person.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #12 April 12, 2008 QuoteWho's next? Here are my predictions, just my opinion so don't ask to a link for proof or anything. Allegiant Suncountry Spirit Air Tran-Chapter 11 Midwest Virgin AmericaIf you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 April 17, 2008 Quote Quote Who's next? Here are my predictions, just my opinion so don't ask to a link for proof or anything. Allegiant Suncountry Spirit Air Tran-Chapter 11 Midwest Virgin America Looking like it's QUITE possible Continental & United will become one... Hummmm...L.A. base instead Houston! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #14 April 17, 2008 DALLAS: In what the company is calling a "bold new leap" in comfort, convenience and overall quality of travel, Southwest Airlines announced Monday that it would be replacing its entire fleet of passenger jets and planes with daily shuttle buses. The shuttle buses, which will depart from airport unways to over 200 destinations nationwide, represent a major breakthrough in commercial aviation. "The future is now," announced Southwest CEO Gary Kelly, gesturing to a 30-foot bus painted in the company's signature red, yellow, and blue. "With these amazing new buses, traveling from New York to Los Angeles takes as little as three days. That's less than half the time it took passengers to get there on our old planes." Equipped with a 70-gallon tank and a four-stroke engine capable of speeds up to 60 miles per hour, the innovative buses will reportedly reduce travel time by 75 percent on average. In addition, cushioned plastic seats and easy-to-hold metal poles will present passengers with a level of comfort never before experienced on Southwest flights. etc. etc. More... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
