Rookie120 0 #26 April 9, 2008 Quote The problem was almost ten times worse in 1910, and we survived then. Really? So they were milkin the govt for free health care, education, welfare, college tuition then also?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 April 9, 2008 QuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. In 2000, we were taking in one immigrant for every 100 people in the US. I can't see any rational argument for the claim that 1910 was just fine, but now there are just so many immigrants that our culture is being overwhelmed. If we survived a 9% immigration rate, we can survive a 1% rate.Quote The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore - to their detriment, as well as society's.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #28 April 10, 2008 >So they were milkin the govt for free health care, education, >welfare, college tuition then also? Nope, those programs were for the most part not in place then. Instead they "stole land" to build shantytowns, where disease spread rapidly. They were seen as parasites who did nothing but drink and drag the economy (and health) of a city down. Several political parties formed in reaction to them (specifically the Know Nothing and Nativist parties) to attempt to deport them. One common fear was that the Pope had put them all up to it, and Irish immigration was a coordinated invasion in an attempt to convert the mainly Protestant USA to Catholicism. Anti-immigrant fervor spread rapidly, resulting in the passage of several anti-immigration laws, including the Immigration Act of 1924. In some cities they managed to ban any immigrant (legal or not) from working at any city job. After finding that a Pope had contributed a cornerstone to the Washington Monument, they sabotaged its construction and halted it for years. To turn it around - a New York city dweller might well say to you "you've got it easy! Those Mexicans just want your jobs and some schoolin'. Back where I come from, the Irish immigrants would give you dropsy and kill half your family! They're invading the country under order of the Pope to destroy our families and our Church." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #29 April 10, 2008 >The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here >and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. EVERY SINGLE GENERATION THINKS THE SAME THING. Franklin claimed just that in the 1700's about the Germans. The Nativists claimed that in the 1800's about the Irish. Same story, different day. 100 years from now, some future nativist will be talking about the Canadians. "Damn Canadians. They come here, want our jobs and our bandwidth, and what do they contribute? Nothing! At least the Mexicans of the 21st century were willing to assimilate into our US culture. But these Canadians - they all just want to speak French! It will be the DOWNFALL OF THE US I tell you." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #30 April 10, 2008 QuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. In 2000, we were taking in one immigrant for every 100 people in the US. So what? 1910 brought us Chinese food and pizza! But the Mexicans only brought nachos and refried beans. Surely you see the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #31 April 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. And 7 years later was embroiled in a global conflict. Co-incidence? In this case, quite. US immigration levels had nothing to do with WWI. That war was going to happen. So it's true, without smileys there is no way to tell if someone's being ironic on the internet.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #32 April 10, 2008 http://www.lessontutor.com/eesapostrophe.html Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #33 April 10, 2008 An apostrophe mean's: Look out! Here come's an 's'!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #34 April 10, 2008 The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore - to their detriment, as well as society's. I don't really think that's true. I think that what makes Mexican immigration different from what we've seen in our lifetimes otherwise, though, are (1) the large numbers of people coming into the US and (2) the people are not white. I think that we tend to see people as more like us (more assimilated) who look like us. lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #35 April 10, 2008 Agree to disagree, then - I could care less about their ethnic origin, it's how they decide to contribute to and fit into society that counts.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #36 April 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. And 7 years later was embroiled in a global conflict. Co-incidence? In this case, quite. US immigration levels had nothing to do with WWI. That war was going to happen. So it's true, without smileys there is no way to tell if someone's being ironic on the internet. Nope - you say something stupid in this forum, and it's going to be assumed that you mean it. Because quite often people do. What you're doing is the classic - "I'm really not stupid, I was being ironic" defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #37 April 10, 2008 Quote What you're doing is the classic - "I'm really not stupid, I was being ironic" defense. First I was surprised that anyone thought I was being serious. Now I just don't believe that you believe I was being serious(Does anyone ever use that defence? Seems like it would necesarily entail admitting that the position being defended was wrong - most people on here would rather keep digging and digging and digging and digging before ever backing away from a stated opinion)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #38 April 10, 2008 There's some hypocrisy here. Isn't Lamm's rant just another example of the "I'm a Victim" mentality that he complains about? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #39 April 10, 2008 >Isn't Lamm's rant just another example of the "I'm a Victim" >mentality that he complains about? Yep. Nowadays, the winner is the guy who portrays himself as the most noble victim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #40 April 10, 2008 Quote>The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here >and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. EVERY SINGLE GENERATION THINKS THE SAME THING. Franklin claimed just that in the 1700's about the Germans. The Nativists claimed that in the 1800's about the Irish. Same story, different day. Hell, my grandfather even complained about having to share a hospital room with a "Blockhead" (what the Irish called the Swedes), the guy was a delightful elderly Swedish-American gentleman. A book I really want to read is Geraldo Rivera's "His Panic". Now don't get me wrong, 99% of the time I think Geraldo's a shameless, self promoting, sensationalist scumbag. But I heard an interview with him about his new book and he makes the point that ALL the arguments being made now against mostly Hispanic immigration are the same old crap that used to be aimed at Irish, Italian, Jewish, Russian, Chinese, Polish, you-name-it waves if immigrants. I hear a lot of the same crap from my wife's family about how the Vietnamese have "ruined" So. California, which is something I haven't seen, living right here in Orange County. Not that the Vietnamese don't have their own problems with youth gangs that every other group has ever had. Geraldo's family came to the US - legally - from Puerto Rico. And I used to hear a lot of crap about the "bloody Puerto Ricans" when I lived back on the east coast. The Republic hasn't imploded yet. By the way, has anyone noticed the large number of Hispanic surnames among the decorated, dead or wounded GIs serving in Iraq or Afghanistan ? Some of them have even earned their citizenship along with their Purple Hearts. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #41 April 10, 2008 The whole thing is pretty sophomoric. He started with the current state of affairs and listed a few aspects as being theoretical methods of bringing about the destruction of this nation, without even establishing correlation, much less causation. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #42 April 10, 2008 The whole thing is pretty sophomoric. Well, he's a politician. Were he particularly BRIGHT, he would've done something with his life. Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #43 April 11, 2008 Yep. Nowadays, the winner is the guy who portrays himself as the most noble victim Nope. Even if the victim has some supporters, everybody knows that he's only a victim because HE SCREWED UP. Grown-ups aren't victims for no reason. Grown-ups who ARE victims aren't without fault, imho. NEVER vote for a victim. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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billvon 3,090 #28 April 10, 2008 >So they were milkin the govt for free health care, education, >welfare, college tuition then also? Nope, those programs were for the most part not in place then. Instead they "stole land" to build shantytowns, where disease spread rapidly. They were seen as parasites who did nothing but drink and drag the economy (and health) of a city down. Several political parties formed in reaction to them (specifically the Know Nothing and Nativist parties) to attempt to deport them. One common fear was that the Pope had put them all up to it, and Irish immigration was a coordinated invasion in an attempt to convert the mainly Protestant USA to Catholicism. Anti-immigrant fervor spread rapidly, resulting in the passage of several anti-immigration laws, including the Immigration Act of 1924. In some cities they managed to ban any immigrant (legal or not) from working at any city job. After finding that a Pope had contributed a cornerstone to the Washington Monument, they sabotaged its construction and halted it for years. To turn it around - a New York city dweller might well say to you "you've got it easy! Those Mexicans just want your jobs and some schoolin'. Back where I come from, the Irish immigrants would give you dropsy and kill half your family! They're invading the country under order of the Pope to destroy our families and our Church." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #29 April 10, 2008 >The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here >and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. EVERY SINGLE GENERATION THINKS THE SAME THING. Franklin claimed just that in the 1700's about the Germans. The Nativists claimed that in the 1800's about the Irish. Same story, different day. 100 years from now, some future nativist will be talking about the Canadians. "Damn Canadians. They come here, want our jobs and our bandwidth, and what do they contribute? Nothing! At least the Mexicans of the 21st century were willing to assimilate into our US culture. But these Canadians - they all just want to speak French! It will be the DOWNFALL OF THE US I tell you." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 April 10, 2008 QuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. In 2000, we were taking in one immigrant for every 100 people in the US. So what? 1910 brought us Chinese food and pizza! But the Mexicans only brought nachos and refried beans. Surely you see the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #31 April 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. And 7 years later was embroiled in a global conflict. Co-incidence? In this case, quite. US immigration levels had nothing to do with WWI. That war was going to happen. So it's true, without smileys there is no way to tell if someone's being ironic on the internet.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #32 April 10, 2008 http://www.lessontutor.com/eesapostrophe.html Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #33 April 10, 2008 An apostrophe mean's: Look out! Here come's an 's'!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #34 April 10, 2008 The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore - to their detriment, as well as society's. I don't really think that's true. I think that what makes Mexican immigration different from what we've seen in our lifetimes otherwise, though, are (1) the large numbers of people coming into the US and (2) the people are not white. I think that we tend to see people as more like us (more assimilated) who look like us. lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 April 10, 2008 Agree to disagree, then - I could care less about their ethnic origin, it's how they decide to contribute to and fit into society that counts.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #36 April 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIn 1910, every year we were taking in one immigrant for every 11 people in the US. And 7 years later was embroiled in a global conflict. Co-incidence? In this case, quite. US immigration levels had nothing to do with WWI. That war was going to happen. So it's true, without smileys there is no way to tell if someone's being ironic on the internet. Nope - you say something stupid in this forum, and it's going to be assumed that you mean it. Because quite often people do. What you're doing is the classic - "I'm really not stupid, I was being ironic" defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #37 April 10, 2008 Quote What you're doing is the classic - "I'm really not stupid, I was being ironic" defense. First I was surprised that anyone thought I was being serious. Now I just don't believe that you believe I was being serious(Does anyone ever use that defence? Seems like it would necesarily entail admitting that the position being defended was wrong - most people on here would rather keep digging and digging and digging and digging before ever backing away from a stated opinion)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #38 April 10, 2008 There's some hypocrisy here. Isn't Lamm's rant just another example of the "I'm a Victim" mentality that he complains about? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #39 April 10, 2008 >Isn't Lamm's rant just another example of the "I'm a Victim" >mentality that he complains about? Yep. Nowadays, the winner is the guy who portrays himself as the most noble victim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #40 April 10, 2008 Quote>The difference in that, until fairly recently, the immigrants came here >and assimilated... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. EVERY SINGLE GENERATION THINKS THE SAME THING. Franklin claimed just that in the 1700's about the Germans. The Nativists claimed that in the 1800's about the Irish. Same story, different day. Hell, my grandfather even complained about having to share a hospital room with a "Blockhead" (what the Irish called the Swedes), the guy was a delightful elderly Swedish-American gentleman. A book I really want to read is Geraldo Rivera's "His Panic". Now don't get me wrong, 99% of the time I think Geraldo's a shameless, self promoting, sensationalist scumbag. But I heard an interview with him about his new book and he makes the point that ALL the arguments being made now against mostly Hispanic immigration are the same old crap that used to be aimed at Irish, Italian, Jewish, Russian, Chinese, Polish, you-name-it waves if immigrants. I hear a lot of the same crap from my wife's family about how the Vietnamese have "ruined" So. California, which is something I haven't seen, living right here in Orange County. Not that the Vietnamese don't have their own problems with youth gangs that every other group has ever had. Geraldo's family came to the US - legally - from Puerto Rico. And I used to hear a lot of crap about the "bloody Puerto Ricans" when I lived back on the east coast. The Republic hasn't imploded yet. By the way, has anyone noticed the large number of Hispanic surnames among the decorated, dead or wounded GIs serving in Iraq or Afghanistan ? Some of them have even earned their citizenship along with their Purple Hearts. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #41 April 10, 2008 The whole thing is pretty sophomoric. He started with the current state of affairs and listed a few aspects as being theoretical methods of bringing about the destruction of this nation, without even establishing correlation, much less causation. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #42 April 10, 2008 The whole thing is pretty sophomoric. Well, he's a politician. Were he particularly BRIGHT, he would've done something with his life. Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #43 April 11, 2008 Yep. Nowadays, the winner is the guy who portrays himself as the most noble victim Nope. Even if the victim has some supporters, everybody knows that he's only a victim because HE SCREWED UP. Grown-ups aren't victims for no reason. Grown-ups who ARE victims aren't without fault, imho. NEVER vote for a victim. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
