packerboy 3 #51 April 11, 2008 You mean it's impolite to blast a hole in someones forehead? Try asking someone who has had a hole in blasted in their forehead. They won't say shit about it. What is impolite is threatening to blast a hole in someones forehead and accidently hitting their shoulder... they'll surely bitch about that! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #52 April 11, 2008 QuotePulling a gun on someone with a gun is more likely to get you shot than anything else. Period. If someone surprises you with a gun, you are better off not having one to go for, unless you are some kind of friggen Jesse James. My humble no gun-carrying nation opinion. Please don't shoot me. There's no doubt you're better off having an option than not. And you don't have to be jesse james to benefit. The proper response may be to keep it concealed, or the situation may dictate a response. Pulling it out may get you shot at, or may get him to run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #53 April 11, 2008 Quote Are you trying to hide something again, like you attempted to do with your claim about the popularity of Molson beer in America? I must know - what did he claim about the popularity of Molson? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #54 April 11, 2008 QuoteQuote Are you trying to hide something again, like you attempted to do with your claim about the popularity of Molson beer in America? I must know - what did he claim about the popularity of Molson? See here, message numbers 28, 30, 32 and 34. He never did confess his error or the intentional attempt to mislead. Now I wonder if he's not doing the same thing here. Maybe he's been listening to kallend for too long, and has unconsciously absorbed his techniques... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #55 April 12, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Are you trying to hide something again, like you attempted to do with your claim about the popularity of Molson beer in America? I must know - what did he claim about the popularity of Molson? See here, message numbers 28, 30, 32 and 34. He never did confess his error or the intentional attempt to mislead. Now I wonder if he's not doing the same thing here. Maybe he's been listening to kallend for too long, and has unconsciously absorbed his techniques... I don't think I ever posted about Molson... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #56 April 13, 2008 I, too, prefer Moosehead... but suddenly that sounds wrong.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #57 April 13, 2008 Quote Quote [Now I wonder if he's not doing the same thing here. Maybe he's been listening to kallend for too long, and has unconsciously absorbed his techniques... I don't think I ever posted about Molson Didn't say you did. The reference was to your debate techniques. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #58 April 13, 2008 Quote Quote Quote [Now I wonder if he's not doing the same thing here. Maybe he's been listening to kallend for too long, and has unconsciously absorbed his techniques... I don't think I ever posted about Molson Didn't say you did. The reference was to your debate techniques. When Bill or I post facts it does seem to irritate the righties.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #59 April 15, 2008 WOO HOO!!!!! Governor signed the bill..... BOOOOM!!! let the whining begin.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 April 15, 2008 The following silence is being brought to you by those who were wrong(and by that I mean all the dire predictions given will not come true . . . . . . again) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #61 April 16, 2008 QuoteGovernor signed the bill... Quote: "The bill says businesses cannot prohibit employees or customers from keeping a legally owned gun locked inside their cars, as long as the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon." The problem is, it doesn't go quite far enough. It's legal in Florida to have a gun in your car without a special concealed weapon permit. Therefore, having a gun in your car in a business parking lot should be no different. It shouldn't be restricted to just those who have concealed carry permits. So, as is, there are still plenty of Florida residents who keep a gun in their car, without a permit, who will be considered law-breakers if they park their car at work without leaving their gun at home. And that will still leave them unsafe should someone attack them while traveling to and fro from work. It might encourage more people to get a concealed carry license. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #62 April 16, 2008 "It might encourage more people to get a concealed carry license." Is this a bad thing? Personally, I'm all for responsible, legal gun ownership. So long as you're not a convicted felon, you can own and carry in your car...no permits, nothing. A CWP holder has been fingerprinted, background checked against the state and FBI criminal databases, and sworn/attested to no mental issues. Not to mention, CWP status shows up when cops check you out, so they know when they approach us there is a chance we're armed....any ol' "neck" out there with a pistol in his pants is NOT what we want...is it???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #63 April 16, 2008 QuoteQuote It might encourage more people to get a concealed carry license. Given that the CCW permit process is much more rigorous, this might be a good thing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyPiggie 0 #64 April 16, 2008 Quote"It might encourage more people to get a concealed carry license." Is this a bad thing? Neither good nor bad. It just is. Those willing to comply with the letter of the law might be motivated to get one so that their gun is technically legal in their work parking lot. Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway. That's what was already being done before this law was passed, and no harm is done by that. Quoteany ol' "neck" out there with a pistol in his pants is NOT what we want...is it???? We already have that, and it hasn't been a problem. Every criminal that wants a gun has one, so why shouldn't the law-abiding "necks" be allowed to have one too? Do you want women working a second or third-shift, driving late at night, to be defenseless against attack while they commute? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 897 #65 April 16, 2008 Outlaws will ALWAYS have weapons...no matter what legal ramifications are in place. "Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. If a woman feels at risk no matter what shift, she should (and IS) able to defend herself. This law in no way inhibits that right in any fashion. Me, I've always preferred the legal route. I used to park across the street in a public lot. This law just makes my walk to the building shorter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #66 April 17, 2008 QuoteOutlaws will ALWAYS have weapons...no matter what legal ramifications are in place. "Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. . If they are truly law abiding, responsible, sane individuals they won't have any problem getting a permit. It's the legal gun owners who don't fit that description we need to worry about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyPiggie 0 #67 April 17, 2008 Quote"Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. Being a law-abiding citizen and having a legal gun in your car, and then turning into a parking lot, should not suddenly turn you into a felon. You're still the same law-abiding person with no ill intent. Just because someone draws an imaginary line on the ground and says "no guns", doesn't change the character of the person. It is wrong to turn people into felons in this manner. This is a good example of a stupid gun law. In order to be a felon, you should actually have to do something to threaten or harm someone. Turning into a parking lot and violating a technicality, should not suffice to destroy your life with that kind of a conviction. QuoteIf a woman feels at risk no matter what shift, she should (and IS) able to defend herself. This law in no way inhibits that right in any fashion. It inhibits her self defense rights if she doesn't have a concealed handgun permit and therefore doesn't have a gun with which to defend herself. I suppose she could try and scratch out her attackers eyes with her fingernails, but I think a gun would be a more effective deterrent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyPiggie 0 #68 April 17, 2008 QuoteIf they are truly law abiding, responsible, sane individuals they won't have any problem getting a permit. It's the legal gun owners who don't fit that description we need to worry about. So every gun owner who doesn't have a concealed weapon permit should be considered dangerous? Gosh, that's about 99% of all gun owners. About 80 million of them. If they were all a problem, I think we would already know it, because there wouldn't be anyone else remaining. And since there are still plenty of non-gun owners around who haven't been murdered by those dastardly non-CWP gun owners, I think there's something wrong with your theory. Do you have a concealed weapon permit, to prove that you're safe to own your shotgun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #69 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf they are truly law abiding, responsible, sane individuals they won't have any problem getting a permit. It's the legal gun owners who don't fit that description we need to worry about. So every gun owner who doesn't have a concealed weapon permit should be considered dangerous? If you say so, but that's NOT what I wrote.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #70 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuote"Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. Being a law-abiding citizen and having a legal gun in your car, and then turning into a parking lot, should not suddenly turn you into a felon. Well, apparently it does if it's defined as a felony. "Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 897 #71 April 17, 2008 exactly. The penalties are seriously higher once you have a CWP, if you violate any gun laws. I have biker buddies that refuse to get a CWP because of the penalties associated with getting caught with a weapon in a bar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyPiggie 0 #72 April 17, 2008 Quote"Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law. So if someone's only "crime" in their entire life is that they once jay-walked across the street outside the marked cross-walk zones, then you would not describe that person as "law-abiding"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #73 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuote"Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law. So if someone's only "crime" in their entire life is that they once jay-walked across the street outside the marked cross-walk zones, then you would not describe that person as "law-abiding"? Weren't you discussing FELONIES? (Hint: read your own post). However, someone who is an habitual scofflaw with regard to traffic laws can hardly be described as "law abiding".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #74 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote"Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. Being a law-abiding citizen and having a legal gun in your car, and then turning into a parking lot, should not suddenly turn you into a felon. Well, apparently it does if it's defined as a felony. "Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law. Many believe intent is necessary to commit a felony. The fact that there has long been a book published called "How to Own a Gun [in California] and Stay Out of Jail" suggests how easy it is to get caught in the weave of constantly changing regulations. It's especially easy to make technical violations in the transport of firearms and ammunition in your car, particularly for those who don't have a trunk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 897 #75 April 17, 2008 Without a CWP in Florida, if I have a gun rack, I can carry repeating rifles and shotguns....I can also carry handguns in the passenger compartment of the car. We used to have a "two move" law that required the handgun to be in a locked container such as the glove box....but that rule has since gone away. and to some other posters here...even women have these rights...no scratching required Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
SkyPiggie 0 #64 April 16, 2008 Quote"It might encourage more people to get a concealed carry license." Is this a bad thing? Neither good nor bad. It just is. Those willing to comply with the letter of the law might be motivated to get one so that their gun is technically legal in their work parking lot. Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway. That's what was already being done before this law was passed, and no harm is done by that. Quoteany ol' "neck" out there with a pistol in his pants is NOT what we want...is it???? We already have that, and it hasn't been a problem. Every criminal that wants a gun has one, so why shouldn't the law-abiding "necks" be allowed to have one too? Do you want women working a second or third-shift, driving late at night, to be defenseless against attack while they commute? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #65 April 16, 2008 Outlaws will ALWAYS have weapons...no matter what legal ramifications are in place. "Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. If a woman feels at risk no matter what shift, she should (and IS) able to defend herself. This law in no way inhibits that right in any fashion. Me, I've always preferred the legal route. I used to park across the street in a public lot. This law just makes my walk to the building shorter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #66 April 17, 2008 QuoteOutlaws will ALWAYS have weapons...no matter what legal ramifications are in place. "Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. . If they are truly law abiding, responsible, sane individuals they won't have any problem getting a permit. It's the legal gun owners who don't fit that description we need to worry about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #67 April 17, 2008 Quote"Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. Being a law-abiding citizen and having a legal gun in your car, and then turning into a parking lot, should not suddenly turn you into a felon. You're still the same law-abiding person with no ill intent. Just because someone draws an imaginary line on the ground and says "no guns", doesn't change the character of the person. It is wrong to turn people into felons in this manner. This is a good example of a stupid gun law. In order to be a felon, you should actually have to do something to threaten or harm someone. Turning into a parking lot and violating a technicality, should not suffice to destroy your life with that kind of a conviction. QuoteIf a woman feels at risk no matter what shift, she should (and IS) able to defend herself. This law in no way inhibits that right in any fashion. It inhibits her self defense rights if she doesn't have a concealed handgun permit and therefore doesn't have a gun with which to defend herself. I suppose she could try and scratch out her attackers eyes with her fingernails, but I think a gun would be a more effective deterrent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #68 April 17, 2008 QuoteIf they are truly law abiding, responsible, sane individuals they won't have any problem getting a permit. It's the legal gun owners who don't fit that description we need to worry about. So every gun owner who doesn't have a concealed weapon permit should be considered dangerous? Gosh, that's about 99% of all gun owners. About 80 million of them. If they were all a problem, I think we would already know it, because there wouldn't be anyone else remaining. And since there are still plenty of non-gun owners around who haven't been murdered by those dastardly non-CWP gun owners, I think there's something wrong with your theory. Do you have a concealed weapon permit, to prove that you're safe to own your shotgun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #69 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf they are truly law abiding, responsible, sane individuals they won't have any problem getting a permit. It's the legal gun owners who don't fit that description we need to worry about. So every gun owner who doesn't have a concealed weapon permit should be considered dangerous? If you say so, but that's NOT what I wrote.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #70 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuote"Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. Being a law-abiding citizen and having a legal gun in your car, and then turning into a parking lot, should not suddenly turn you into a felon. Well, apparently it does if it's defined as a felony. "Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #71 April 17, 2008 exactly. The penalties are seriously higher once you have a CWP, if you violate any gun laws. I have biker buddies that refuse to get a CWP because of the penalties associated with getting caught with a weapon in a bar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #72 April 17, 2008 Quote"Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law. So if someone's only "crime" in their entire life is that they once jay-walked across the street outside the marked cross-walk zones, then you would not describe that person as "law-abiding"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #73 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuote"Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law. So if someone's only "crime" in their entire life is that they once jay-walked across the street outside the marked cross-walk zones, then you would not describe that person as "law-abiding"? Weren't you discussing FELONIES? (Hint: read your own post). However, someone who is an habitual scofflaw with regard to traffic laws can hardly be described as "law abiding".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #74 April 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote"Those that think it's a stupid law will just drive into the parking lot with their gun anyway." - makes them a felon if caught. This is not an issue with law-abiding, legal carrying, responsible gun owners. Being a law-abiding citizen and having a legal gun in your car, and then turning into a parking lot, should not suddenly turn you into a felon. Well, apparently it does if it's defined as a felony. "Law abiding" means you obey the law - ALL the law. Many believe intent is necessary to commit a felony. The fact that there has long been a book published called "How to Own a Gun [in California] and Stay Out of Jail" suggests how easy it is to get caught in the weave of constantly changing regulations. It's especially easy to make technical violations in the transport of firearms and ammunition in your car, particularly for those who don't have a trunk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #75 April 17, 2008 Without a CWP in Florida, if I have a gun rack, I can carry repeating rifles and shotguns....I can also carry handguns in the passenger compartment of the car. We used to have a "two move" law that required the handgun to be in a locked container such as the glove box....but that rule has since gone away. and to some other posters here...even women have these rights...no scratching required Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
