A Very Solemn Event To Witness

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http://patdollard.com/2008/04/pay-tribute-navy-seal-monsoor-receives-moh-posthumously-with-video/

Greater Love Has No Man Than To Lay Down His Life For His Friends (John 15:13)

How very true.

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Agreed.

Thank you, PO Monsoor.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Greater Love Has No Man Than To Lay Down His Life For His Friends (John 15:13)

How very true.

Did you ask his mother?

I am a mother. I'd prefer my kid to be safe and alive without all those shining medals on his coffin and an old man telling lies.

Ask your glorious leader in a week. He'll have forgotten who Mr. Monsoor actually was

That does not mean I'm debasing that poor dead guy. His name simply is used for progaganda. Reminds me on events 60+ years ago in a country/countries far away from yours....

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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This past Monday, NPR's "Morning Edition" featured an excellent story & tribute, "Navy SEAL Killed in Iraq Receives Medal of Honor."

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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That does not mean I'm debasing that poor dead guy. His name simply is used for progaganda. Reminds me on events 60+ years ago in a country/countries far away from yours....

No, that's exactly what you're doing - debasing the sacrifice that PO Monsoor made. I won't thank you for your "opinion", mere state that it's better made in any one of several Bush-bashing threads that you love to post in.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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That does not mean I'm debasing that poor dead guy. His name simply is used for progaganda. Reminds me on events 60+ years ago in a country/countries far away from yours....

No, that's exactly what you're doing - debasing the sacrifice that PO Monsoor made. I won't thank you for your "opinion", mere state that it's better made in any one of several Bush-bashing threads that you love to post in.

Nonsense. She speaks her turth and you don't like it.

I won't debase his sacrifice, but I will say it was made in vain, was a complete waste, and served no purpose. It didn't keep me free, and it didn't make me safe.

You can have your version of the truth if it keeps you sane in the midst of this madness, but don't kid yourself that it's the only version of it out there.

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No, that's exactly what you're doing - debasing the sacrifice that PO Monsoor made. I won't thank you for your "opinion", mere state that it's better made in any one of several Bush-bashing threads that you love to post in.
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Yep, that's what we call the century of free speech (not only in the US).

Let me repeat: Ask GWB (nobody ever will do so) if he ever will remember that fallen one, that name - ask the veterans in your country. Ask them what came after the medal and a soulful speech.

Nothing. Oh well, sorry, there was something: Cutting of veterans pensions. Taking the mick out of them.

Let's go on tear-jerking. Tomorrow, they're forgotten.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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It saved the lives of two of his team mates.

It was not in vain, and will never be.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Prefer?

I am sure she would have preferred that he be alive.

If you take that into account, you must also consider that she was very proud of her son, and the fact he was a SEAL.

She knew all along that this grown man made his choice, and served with distinction.

She also probably knew he was the kind of brave young man who would do such a thing to save his team mates.

Can we all now keep from turning this into some type of bush bashing festival?

If you can't, please just say nothing at all.

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Warped, you're playing on readers' heart strings.

I cannot and will not deny that in every culture/country the fallen are to be honoured. Normal, I guess.

Can't help myself, my impression just is you're "trolling" with news like these.

Have a look back on the tenor of most of your posts..... The Dead, The Wounded, The Killed.......

Gulp.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Ask your glorious leader in a week. He'll have forgotten who Mr. Monsoor actually was

I can tell you without hesitation that is not true. I have met our Commander-in-Chief several times and he remembered me...without briefs, or pictures.

So, please take this as an advisory that you do not know what you're talking about.

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That does not mean I'm debasing that poor dead guy. His name simply is used for progaganda.

By your previous statement, you just did. There have been four Medals of Honor awarded in this campaign.

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Reminds me on events 60+ years ago in a country/countries far away from yours....

Because you live there today? Nice backhanded comparison of the US to a nation that exterminated 12+M.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Listen guys - you all have legitimate points here; but let's not drag it down. Not now.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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PO Monsoor was killed not too far from where I was wounded in Ramadi. September 06 was some heavy action in that city. My best thoughts, and gratitude to his family.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Nice backhanded comparison of the US to a nation that exterminated 12+M.

You use what you have at hand. Your figures should be discussed at another place, anyhow.

You've been in TV, even in the German. Your story made it nearly all over the world. That's OK.

And now go back and figure out the thousands of poor fools coming back - without beeing in the news for a quite long time. THEY ARE FORGOTTEN.

Have a look at the veterans pensions' - they were cut! That's a fact.

Max. You're back, that's absolutely wonderful, no doubt.

All of the above has nothing to do with millions of killed ppl - my concern is a pseudo propaganda. Pls just see it like this.

Believe me, all those teary stories do not divert from reality how it's been seen from outside your boders. And inside your borders, that's for sure.

Christel

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Ask your glorious leader in a week. He'll have forgotten who Mr. Monsoor actually was

I can tell you without hesitation that is not true. I have met our Commander-in-Chief several times and he remembered me...without briefs, or pictures.

So, please take this as an advisory that you do not know what you're talking about.

Yea but Max it's way easier to remember the name of a man on kangaroo type legs, especially when he's also very good PR.

Not so easy to remember the name of the guy in the box

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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Not so easy to remember the name of the guy in the box

Which is part of the reason to remember these folks.

Name two WWII veterans in boxes. Allied or
Axis. Name any of the dead victims of the Tokyo firebombings or of Dresden.

The names of the people in the twin towers, and on those aircraft, are forgotten.

The names of those men and women sent to fight are forgotten. Forgotten by the public.

But forever in the hearts of those who knew them.

And forever in the hearts, whether nameless or not, of those like Gawain and warpedskydiver who will not forget. I took a couple of my NCO's to the Vietnam Wall when we had two days of leave from a mission in Virginia. I saw these strong men weep openly without even having seen the names of their buddies yet.

They do not forget. We do nto forget.

The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is about as hallowed as it gets. We know not the names, and honor the nameless more than those whose names are known.

We honor the nameless. We honor the named. Like it or not, that's the American way. Agree with it or not, that's the way our armed forces do it.

I pray that I shall never be so honored.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[mnealtx 0]

VERY well said...thank you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Not so easy to remember the name of the guy in the box

We honor the nameless. We honor the named. Like it or not, that's the American way. Agree with it or not, that's the way our armed forces do it.

I pray that I shall never be so honored.

I agree with the sentiment, i do not however agree with the reasoning for why GWB was there.
Nothing more than PR work

We have our verson or memorial day comming up ANZAC Day, and our motto is
"Lest We Forget"
Tribute and memorials are bestowed upon our fallen, but i do not subscribe to politicians using them as part of their pollitical circus

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[warpedskydiver 0]

You can think and say anything you like, someone protects your right to say so.

Why bring that up in a thread about a very brave man who gave his life to save his friends?

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Nothing more than PR work

Perhaps, yes. Perhaps nothing more than PR.

But perhaps it is because he is the Commander in Chief. And the President has long been the individual who awards the medal either on behalf of Congress (if Congress awards the Medal) or as the top of the military chain of command. See 10 USC section 3741.

It may be a PR job. But, by law, it's supposed to be the President's job.

and personally, I think the POTUS who sent him there SHOULD be the one doing it. He should face it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I agree with the sentiment, i do not however agree with the reasoning for why GWB was there.
Nothing more than PR work

Bullshit - unless you have some low-level flunky passing out VC's.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I agree with the sentiment, i do not however agree with the reasoning for why GWB was there.
Nothing more than PR work

Bullshit - unless you have some low-level flunky passing out VC's.

OH, so it all revolves aroun who gives the award, not the actual award. my apologies

Generals and field marshalls probably should do that sort of thing

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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I agree with the sentiment, i do not however agree with the reasoning for why GWB was there.
Nothing more than PR work

Bullshit - unless you have some low-level flunky passing out VC's.

OH, so it all revolves aroun who gives the award, not the actual award. my apologies

Generals and field marshalls probably should do that sort of thing

See Lawrockets answer - as usual, he said it much better. My point still stands in response to your "PR work" bullshit, however.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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>someone protects your right to say so.

This is the favorite slogan of the minions of power.


It is the responsibility of each individual to protect their own rights.

Rights are intrinsic, not bestowed upon people as a commodity granted by the false benevolence of a government overseeing an otherwise helpless and totally dependent population.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
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Generals and field marshalls probably should do that sort of thing

They can't approve it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.